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    06-26-2013, 02:16 PM
Could you do this ?

Okay so, I have recently began riding this horse for this woman. Anyway, most of the horses I have previously ridden have all been in snaffles. So I don't have much experience with bits that are more leverage related I was quite curious about something. As I've been sort of teaching myself information about the world of bits (after seeing her, to me, odd bit). Now her bit has quite a short 'shank' if you will ;D, but the mouthpiece is jointed. Now from what I understand (again I may be completely off track as no knowledgeable person of bits has taught me in person, it's just from information I've gathered from bits people have told me and what I have read) a bit that is jointed, but also works off leverage can often be quite severe in the softest of hands. The mouth piece this little mare has has this quite (what I assume, again never seen a bit like it) roller piece .. thing in the middle, and it's essentially got three joints to it.

I don't have a picture of her actual bit, I have tried to find images of it online, but with no success, but I do have an image off line which kind of relates to the question I wanted to ask. However, I will hopefully have an image of her actual bit soon ! That is if I don't forget haha.

(not her bit, but sort of similar)

Now her bit, again has this roller thing in the middle as opposed to the smaller metal piece (the name has just escaped from me xD !). Now, what I was wondering was, as the bit has rings that are attached directly to the mouthpiece, what would be the result of attaching the reins to that ring as opposed to the one at the end of the 'shank'. I was wondering would (no don't laugh if this sounds hilariously stupid, I'm still learning more in depth about bits!) would you just then effectively have a snaffle?

Again, hopefully I'll have an image of her actual bit soon, but if anyone wants to help me out, and if I've gotten something wrong, let me know also haha, cheers guys x
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    06-26-2013, 02:55 PM
You will get a LOT of opinions on this bit, which is a modified "Tom Thumb." It is neither a snaffle nor a curb. If I want to ride 4 reins my preference in a Pelham, and I use a curb "chain" instead of a leather. I retrained my QH, who is now a 7yo, with a Pelham so I could quickly switch from a solid mouth snaffle to a curb at will without stopping to change bridles.
If you go to a Pelham, or ANY CURB, and use a chain, BE SURE to twist in clockwise until it links smooth, then you adjust it so that you can fit 2 fingers between the horse and chain.
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    06-26-2013, 03:02 PM
Yeah, I know there are so many opinions on the bit, I personally wouldn't use it myself. But again, not my horse. But yeah, was more curious if you could effectly attach the reins to the ring that is attached to the mouthpiece, and essentially have a snaffle, or would that just, not work at all ;D
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    06-26-2013, 03:04 PM
^^ forgot to say, attaching the reins to ring that is directly attached to the mouth piece, and have no reins or contact with the ring that is at the end of the 'shank' ;D
    06-26-2013, 03:10 PM
Yeah, I think you could use this as a snaffle. Is the owner watching you school this horse? If not, just use a snaffle when she isn't around. =D
    06-26-2013, 03:17 PM
Hahaha, no she's quite happy for me to come and go as I please. I'm pretty much the only one riding her so, although I do often take her for hacks on the mountain so I think if I were going to move the reins from the bottom ring, I'd most likely school her quite a bit before going on the mountain with her haha.

But yeah, the owner hasn't had her all that long, and it's basically just the bit she came in, I do believe she used to be a driving pony years ago also, not really sure if that has anything todo with the price of fish haha. But when I came to meet the pony for the first time, the owner was saying it was an odd bit to her, and wasn't all that severe to her knowledge, I wasn't so sure, and after all my exams etc I finally got around to learning more about bits etc so I'm sure I could just say to the owner, have you ever tried her in anything less severe haha but - if i'm honest I'm not sure it's even attached all that correctly. Like the cheek pieces of the bridle are attached to the ring that is directly attached to the mouth piece. But yeah, I am in the UK, and really never seen one of these bits before, and I personally think that they are very rarely used over here (i think!), the owner did say that she thought the bit didn't look like it was right, but again I doubt she's experienced these bits before. But I think it was the owner of the mare previous that has attached the bit in such a way, as she came with the bridle so the owner has just left it how it was. ;D
    06-26-2013, 04:43 PM
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Yes you can use the center ring like a snaffle.

The roller in the middle gives the horse something to "play" with. It is good for horses that are nervous, anxious, or fidgety.
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    06-26-2013, 04:49 PM
Haha, yeah I figured that was what the roller was for ;D

So yeah, think I may do that, I always feel so guilty riding her, their might be a reason she isn't in a snaffle, or her old owners just bitted her up - but to be honest, I don't think her previous owners even knew how to attach the bit properly so to me it seems like they didn't ;D
    06-26-2013, 05:13 PM
You can use it as a snaffle, and on the shanks, the lower the rein attaches the more pressure will be applied . You can step down the reins with the level of training.
    06-26-2013, 05:22 PM
The horse i'm leasing has his owner ride in a bit very much like the photo you posted, the only difference is it is a single joint with no extra piece in the middle.

When I go out to ride I put him in a mullen mouth 'happy bit' (those ones with the white 'nylabone' type mouthpiece. He goes just fine. I personally think his owner 'over bits' him, but hey, it's not my horse so I can't tell his owner what to do. I can only work with him on my time, with a bit that I think is making him softer in the mouth and more responsive.

I would say try a snaffle if you want to, but do so in an enclosed area (arena or paddock, etc) so that the horse can get adjusted to the new bit and learn to accept it in a safe environment. You don't want him running and not listening across the pasture or down the trail while you try to control him with an unfamiliar bit.

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