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post #1 of 6 Old 03-06-2010, 01:20 AM Thread Starter
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Difference in Bits?

Could someone explain me to be the difference in motion/leverage between a gag bit and a regular snaffle?

Also, would a stop n' turn be a good choice for a horse with stopping issues? Gun walks through snaffles, and also small leverage bits.

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post #2 of 6 Old 03-06-2010, 01:25 AM
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You need to use your hands more effectively not change bits. If you look at a snaffle and at a gag bit the difference is quite evident. If you were giving your horse a release when you needed to then he wouldn't run through kite string.

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He is used to leaning on the bit from his previous training. I just got him in August. This is what I'm currently riding him in. Metalab Black Satin Training Bit - Black Satin - 5" Specialty and Other Bits Western HorseLoverZ.com He is getting better, but he expects to use the rider as a "fifth leg." He seems to have most of his training in dressage. I'm thinking about switching him to a full cheek snaffle, which is a favorite of mine and my other horse, but I'm trying to understand all my choices. The gentleman I got Gun from knew nothing about horses and rode him in a tom thumb, and pulled him up pretty hard for stopping.

And if the difference was evident to me, I wouldn't be asking. I've never seen a gag-bit up close, and I want to understand the action of how it moves.

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What is the difference between that bit and a tom thumb exactly? Both have a broken mouth and shanks...

Anyhoo, him being disrespectful to your commands has nothing to do with a bit. You need to get off his back and roundpen him or longe line him or something and reteach him to "whoa". Once he starts respecting without hesitation on the ground, move back into the saddle with a plain snaffle. When you say whoa and apply a little pressure to the bit, if her leans on your hands, disengage his hindquarters and then stop him. All you want to do in the beginning is halt his forward motion. Give him a little time to respond, if he pushes, again disengage and halt him. Eventually he will learn that whoa means to not go foreward and he will stop on his own free will when asked to. The last thing you want to do is pull harder on his mouth or add any new hardware.

Whatever you choose to do do not blame it on the bit or think that a different bit is going to do anything for you at all, it will not.

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On a gag bit the cheek pieces actually run through the rings of the bit rather then being permanently attached, so a gag bit both rises in the horse's mouth and puts pressure on the poll when rein pressure is applied. A regular snaffle stays stationary in the horse's mouth, applies pressure only on the bars of the mouth and tonque, and places no pressure on the poll.

Agree with the other posters that a leverage bit is probably not the solution, but that reschooling the horse is.
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post #6 of 6 Old 03-06-2010, 11:10 AM Thread Starter
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Honey- How do I disengage his hindquarters?

We are going to be starting roundpen work when the mud goes away. He is very respectful to whoa in the halter, and stops shoulder level with me when I stop, without needing too many reminders.

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