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post #1 of 26 Old 01-09-2013, 12:00 AM Thread Starter
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Differences between two bits....

I found these two bits: The Hanging Cheek with french link and Kimberwick with quarter moon bit.

I am wondering, if you don't use the ports on the Kimberwick, would it act like a snaffle? I like the copper quarter moon.

The Hanging Cheek french link is only made of stainless steel. I really like them to have other metals like copper or sweet iron in thinking it helps salivation....or may a plain stainless be ok too?

Also, if a bit has shanks, without a curb chain...do you have to neck rein with it?

I am looking for a 7" bit, so they are a rare in snaffles. I have a D-ring copper roller single jointed snaffle at the moment, but am trying to find something that isn't single jointed.
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I'm not super familiar with kimberwickes and "hanging cheek" bits, I notice a lot of people use those terms but it's kind of not used in barrels, reining, etc that I am in so hopefully someone else can help you on that as I can't look it up right now.

However on the shank part, you don't HAVE to neck rein in any bit. Some bits that are solid curbs allow for less flexibility, but you don't have to neck rein. I ride in a Myler and will still warm up to show two handed and school two handed then go to one hand when I want to.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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I'm not super familiar with kimberwickes and "hanging cheek" bits, I notice a lot of people use those terms but it's kind of not used in barrels, reining, etc that I am in so hopefully someone else can help you on that as I can't look it up right now.

However on the shank part, you don't HAVE to neck rein in any bit. Some bits that are solid curbs allow for less flexibility, but you don't have to neck rein. I ride in a Myler and will still warm up to show two handed and school two handed then go to one hand when I want to.
This is the bit with shanks I am wondering about.....I can direct rein with this bit?
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This one is the hanging cheek snaffle....



This is the Kimberwick....
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Okay I gotcha.

The kimberwicke isn't built to act like a snaffle. Notice how to the mouthpiece is placed, not in the middle of the D like a snaffle and the mouthpiece as well. While technically a snaffle is anything with a 1:1 pressure ratio, it won't act like that I wouldn't imagine.

The stainless steel bit would be fine. Horses salivating is good but it won't hurt to have it without the other metals. For a mare like mine it doesn't even matter. Sometimes the relaxed jaw is more important than the type of metal.

I can't see the picture of the shank, but like I said before you can pretty much direct rein in any bit it's just a little easier in some than others.

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It's called a counter canter...
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Okay I gotcha.

The kimberwicke isn't built to act like a snaffle. Notice how to the mouthpiece is placed, not in the middle of the D like a snaffle and the mouthpiece as well. While technically a snaffle is anything with a 1:1 pressure ratio, it won't act like that I wouldn't imagine.

The stainless steel bit would be fine. Horses salivating is good but it won't hurt to have it without the other metals. For a mare like mine it doesn't even matter. Sometimes the relaxed jaw is more important than the type of metal.

I can't see the picture of the shank, but like I said before you can pretty much direct rein in any bit it's just a little easier in some than others.
Sorry....here's another attempt.....
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[QUOTE=SorrelHorse;1835970]Okay I gotcha.

The kimberwicke isn't built to act like a snaffle. Notice how to the mouthpiece is placed, not in the middle of the D like a snaffle and the mouthpiece as well. While technically a snaffle is anything with a 1:1 pressure ratio, it won't act like that I wouldn't imagine.

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Thanks for pointing that out! I never noticed how the mouthpiece is placed.
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Oh I see it now and yep you should have no problem direct reining with that. It's a nice little bit.

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Oh I see it now and yep you should have no problem direct reining with that. It's a nice little bit.
Ok, good, I want to use that on my smaller horse. With the shanks, does it apply more pressure? Or does that only happen when you have a curb strap?
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Now, on to the percheron.....

What are the differences between the Kimberwick and Hanging down snaffle?

I would like to replace her D-ring copper roller single jointed snaffle with something double jointed for riding. I really only trail ride. She doesn't act up, but is very strong when she argues.
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