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    10-09-2013, 10:47 PM
  #1
Foal
Do you NEED a martingale or breastplate?

Do you need a martingale or breastplate? At the stables I go to, they use them but lots of places don't, and I was wondering if they are needed to ride successfully, they are quite costly here
     
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    10-09-2013, 11:26 PM
  #2
Weanling
Short answer....NO. If a saddle fits properly breast collars aren't needed. I have never needed a martingale, in my opinion only, they are there to help "bad hands".
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    10-09-2013, 11:42 PM
  #3
Green Broke
Riding in foothills or mountains around here, I always use a breastplate. Same for playing polo.

I use a martingale (no tie down) for my western saddle, too, when working.

Here, some people even use cruppers for that added insurance and they believe keeping the saddle absolutely in place is more comfortable for the horse.
     
    10-10-2013, 01:30 AM
  #4
Yearling
Breast-plate: If you're doing flat-work and the saddle is slipping backwards, then you can can correct the saddle-fit, get a saddle that fits, or use a breast-plate to hide the problem. If you're riding a lot of hills or jumping, the extreme movement of a horse or simple gravity can cause even the best-fitting saddle to slide, and a breast-plate is a simple and useful tool.

Martingale: German martingales can be used under training to "adjust" a headset. Good hands and a skilled seat will do the same. A running martingale is very useful when jumping a horse that pops its head up so the rider doesn't get hit in the face. I'm sure there are other applications as well. I'm not familiar with the use of a standing martingale. Common for all of them is that they're used to correct a headset issue. Sometimes they're used to hide a problem that a trainer or rider can't figure out how to fix correctly. Sometimes they're used (correctly) as an aide to help a horse stay in a better headset - combined with correct use of hands and seat.

I use a breastplate on a horse that I ride on VERY steep terrain.

I ride a horse who's owner wanted me to try a running martingale on him because he held his head so high. Instead, I changed his bit to a milder bit that didn't jab him in the roof of the mouth, so he quit raising his head to avoid the bit. Each case is different. A lot of people use martingales and breastplates because they look cool.
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    10-10-2013, 01:44 AM
  #5
Trained
Mine is extra insurance. Seen a lot of broken cinches, latigos, etc. It will at least keep your saddle from totally flipping under on you long enough to jump off. Plus, yes, I use it for fashion...lol!

Martingales depend. I believe in the use of training aids but not 100% of the time.
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    10-10-2013, 02:01 AM
  #6
Weanling
I use a breastplate all the time, mostly for fashion but it help in hilly terrain and if, god forbid, something else breaks, extra insurance!

I have used martingales/draw reins (same purpose, basically) in short bursts to help the horse get a clearer understanding of what I'm asking but as far as I'm concerned I don't like them to be used all the time. I can see where they could be of use in jumping, though.
     
    10-10-2013, 02:19 AM
  #7
Green Broke
I've never used either. A lot of the people I know who event use a running martingale; my understanding is that it gives the rider a little more leverage if the horse decides to try running off/evading the bit with his head in the air.
     
    10-10-2013, 05:58 AM
  #8
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by freia    
Martingale: German martingales can be used under training to "adjust" a headset. Good hands and a skilled seat will do the same. A running martingale is very useful when jumping a horse that pops its head up so the rider doesn't get hit in the face. I'm sure there are other applications as well. I'm not familiar with the use of a standing martingale. Common for all of them is that they're used to correct a headset issue. Sometimes they're used to hide a problem that a trainer or rider can't figure out how to fix correctly. Sometimes they're used (correctly) as an aide to help a horse stay in a better headset - combined with correct use of hands and seat.

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That is NOT a correct use of a martingale, the correct use of a martingale is to stop the horses head getting above the angle of control. It should never be used to put a horse in a "headset".
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    10-10-2013, 08:01 AM
  #9
Yearling
Some people use breastplates (western) just for show.
It is however a nice thing to have as others said for when you ride the rougher terrain. There is a legitimate and true reason for this piece of equipment, not just as pretty bling.

A martingale is never supposed to be used for "headset"...that is wrong.


A "running martingale" is used by running your reins through rings which are not supposed to come into active use unless the horse raises the head past a certain point, then downward force is applied on those reins.
I don't like running martingales as it breaks the bit, rein, hand line of communication...how it does not come into some form of play when those rings and that piece of equipment hangs continually on your reins is beyond me, no thanks.
A standing martingale does the same thing as a running, EXCEPT.. it attaches to the bridle noseband...it has nothing to do with your reins so does not interfere with communication nor is any weight hanging from the reins.
Both martingales should not ever interfere with the way a horse travels or carries itself if properly adjusted. Neither is or should it ever be adjusted to "set" a head... they are to keep a horse from tossing their head past a reasonable height while jumping primarily.

A well-trained horse should not ever need a martingale to keep a consistently placed head while riding on the flat. It became a "fad" in the show ring to see horses with standing martingales, and many jumper riders use them so they don't get face smacked by the horse who is so excited and upright carrying their head during a competition... training flaws for some...sure doesn't look pretty to see that horse move in such a way with the rider hanging on the mouth and face trying to rate and control...

To me riding a horse on the flat and over fences without the added martingales just presents a more finished, prepared and trained horse without all the contraptions and "aids" applied to them...

just my opinion...
     
    10-10-2013, 08:19 AM
  #10
Super Moderator
I use a martingale for my Tb, but it only comes into play when she has her moments of being a complete twit and throwing her head up before a gallop. I use a breast plate only on my haffy when out hunting to prevent the saddle slipping back when jumping or going up steep hills.
     

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