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    11-25-2012, 10:27 PM
  #31
Foal
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
I have to say I'm pretty bad at it either.

However at Trumbull Mountain (they are very nice to deal with!) they asked me to send pics of the horse, pics of the current saddle on a horse, etc. A good fitter often can give good suggestions just looking at the horse.
Thanks! (sorry I missed your post until now)
I'll have to check with them sometime. I'm definitely going to try the wither tracing on their site and see if I an figure it out. The only confusing thing is the third line drawing/measurement. It would probably make more sense if I could draw chalk on her, but... white horse problems.
     
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    11-26-2012, 12:04 AM
  #32
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by InsaneDino    
Does my horse seem to have a straight back? She has a slight bend/downward arch in my opinion. Would you consider that straight or in-between?

Hm. Again, I really wish I lived near some English tack stores or new some saddle fitters that had some for me to try. XD Aghh. I don't like living in this western riding area. Maybe I'll get the chance to try one sometime, but I probably shouldn't risk it. My horse is a pretty simple own as far as what she likes and doesn't like. She rarely puts up a fuss. The first bit I ever put in her mouth, she loved and still uses. I'm guessing she'll be the same way with a proper fitting saddle, irregardless of what flocking is in it. The price to replace the cair to a wool flocking is just too much for me to have to pay after already spending money on two saddles now.
She looks fairly "normal" to me [didn't see the photos before just saw "flat back" and thought OH I HAD ONE LIKE THATTT]. A Wintec 500CC would probably fit her reasonably well - they are not especially bulky saddles, my 500CC is actually a shorter saddle than my cheap copy Isabell so the 500 range is generally speaking a reasonable choice for the short-backed horse.

Most any Bates or Wintec saddle will fit an "average" shaped horse with minimal modifications. Cair is better for the wider/flatter/tabletop types than it is for the types with dodgy topline like my gelding, flock is more versatile and can be fitted to more different shapes of horse. Depending on your budget you might also like to try Pessoa, Prestige, or another of the European brands. Collegiates are good too - made by Bates, same quality, lower price.

I am kind of biased towards Bates saddles because Bates is an Australian company lol but actually if you can find one that's wide enough the older Bates saddles are amazing... they don't make 'em like that any more. Unfortunately back in the day the majority of horses were narrower than what we have now [largely TB and Arabian, and not the chunky ones either - the finer ones... fine was the "in thing" 20-odd years ago here] and the majority of people didn't have a clue about saddle fit anyway, so it can be really hard to find wider old saddles for the flatter horse.
     
    11-26-2012, 05:03 AM
  #33
Weanling
I wouldn't buy a Wintec CC - they' have small panels, they're flat-treed and the flaps and panels extend too far over the shoulder. Plus the front of the panel sits very high up. At least the older models do. I think you'd be better of with the AP/GP.

And instead of a chalk line try masking tape. It pulls off easily :)
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    11-26-2012, 06:21 AM
  #34
Green Broke
I have the latest model Wintec 500 CC - should have clarified that - and I ADORE it. It's not as nice to ride in as a top-quality leather CC saddle but for the price it's a darn nice saddle. Fits my boy beautifully aside from the Cair-related rock/bounce and the panels are, to me, average-sized. The channel is REALLY wide, which is another thing I love about it, and my boy doesn't get sore in the loins as much as he did before I bought it. The flat tree was actually one of the major benefits that drew me to the saddle in the first place. My boy can be funny to fit and I've found that despite his very minor sway back a flatter tree fits him best.

Edit; mine, on his back, not quite in balance - this is what it was like straight off the shelf once I'd managed to get the right gullet plate into it. Not quite perfect but close.


And the larger photo:

...dreadful photo of him lol but it's the only shot I have of the saddle on him without a rider!
     
    11-26-2012, 06:32 AM
  #35
Green Broke
And the man himself:

[he was a tad on the skinny side in this one so excuse the lack of muscling]
     
    11-26-2012, 04:03 PM
  #36
Foal
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Originally Posted by unclearthur    
I wouldn't buy a Wintec CC - they' have small panels, they're flat-treed and the flaps and panels extend too far over the shoulder. Plus the front of the panel sits very high up. At least the older models do. I think you'd be better of with the AP/GP.

And instead of a chalk line try masking tape. It pulls off easily :)
I was actually looking at an AP! What makes me kind of... not so sure is that some people say you can jump pretty high and well in them, and others say they're "no purpose" or put you in a weird position.
Anybody have experience with jumping and flatwork in an AP Wintec saddle?

I will definitely have to try the tape! It's a much better idea than what I was thinking- black eyeshadow. LOL
     
    11-26-2012, 04:05 PM
  #37
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by blue eyed pony    
And the man himself:

[he was a tad on the skinny side in this one so excuse the lack of muscling]
I think our horses have a similar shape. Two things that are different are the indented in sides of the withers (I forget what the word for it is) and the subtle downward curve in the back.
What part of the saddle fit makes it not quite perfect, mind I ask?
     
    11-26-2012, 08:49 PM
  #38
Green Broke
Sure looks like it! Yeah he is a teeny bit sway backed now and he was skinny when that photo was taken [building back up after he dropped a lot of weight very quickly for no apparent reason] which shows mainly by the hollows at his wither and just below his point of hip.

Now, his topline has built up, and he is kind of fat, so he doesn't have the hollows. That photo was taken this time last year and so far this summer he's proving to be easier to keep the weight on.
     
    11-27-2012, 09:35 AM
  #39
Weanling
Er...I've never owned a Wintec so can't comment on jumping in one. But I've never owned a jumping saddle either, all my efforts over the years being in an AP/GP saddle, mostly Riding Club level showjumping/cross-country and up to 1.10m BSJA.

IMO while it's nice to have equipment specifically designed for one particular job it's not always essential. If you can only afford one saddle buy a AP/GP. Most CC jumping saddles are pretty useless for trail riding, for example. Many people argue that they're fine, but the horse is more likely to be less comfortable, ridden over a longer time period, in a saddle with less cushioning (ie a smaller panel).
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    11-27-2012, 01:01 PM
  #40
Green Broke
I jump up to 1.10m in my Wintec CC but haven't in a while [we've been XC training so we're sticking around the 80cm mark for now because that's the highest the local course goes]. My position isn't perfect but I believe that's more me than saddle, I have friends who jump a LOT higher than me who recommended the saddle I bought because they liked it so much.

But, I did jump 1.05m in a cheap and nasty Kincade GP and if you know the synthetic Kincade you know they're definitely not cut for jumping. Add to that it was way too small for me [16.5 inch, I usually ride in a 17.5], and it's clear that it was a jump I made despite my equipment not because of it. I have attached a photo of Monty and I doing 95cm in said saddle... also have a photo of the 1.05 but it's like 100x100 pixels so I haven't bothered.

You CAN jump high in an AP but you will always be fighting against your equipment. If you can afford two saddles then the way to go is a dressage saddle and a CC saddle [or event saddle, same thing as a CC with a few minor differences to make it a little more secure]... that's what I've done, and it works brilliantly for me. I do trails and flat in my dressage and jump in my CC. If you can only afford one saddle and you want to jump and flat/trails then an AP is the trick. It is difficult to hold a good classical flat position in a jumping saddle and almost impossible to hold a good jumping position in a dressage.
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