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  • Was is meant by deep seat in an english saddle?
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    11-27-2012, 07:21 PM
  #41
Foal
Oh gosh. I thought I was the only one who felt it hard to do dressage/flatwork in a jumping or CC saddle. I swear I couldn't NOT sit in two-point position. I was always riding forward seated.

I never took thought into the panels being shorter therefore less comfortable for the horse. Granted, I never ride more than an hour. Oh greenies and their short attention spans. :p

I guess a GP/AP would be the way to go. Right now I don't have a job, but I'm hoping to get another one in the next couple of days. Then I'll have more saddle money! Haha. Jumping in a GP/AP saddle might just make you have a better and more secure seat then since it's a bit deeper and less forward to get into two-point.
     
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    11-27-2012, 07:29 PM
  #42
Trained
That's more to do with the balance of your saddle [too high in front] than the saddle itself. What I meant was the classical position with the long leg. It's very difficult to hold a good classical position in a CC saddle especially if you go from a highly supportive almost force-you-into-a-good-position dressage saddle to the more open CC.

I just realized I forgot to post my photo of Monty and I over 95 in the cheap little AP... hahaah oops! I'll have another go.

Edit; excuse my being a little behind the movement, defensive riding is a habit of mine ever since having a horse that had a really dirty stop.
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    11-27-2012, 07:44 PM
  #43
Foal
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Originally Posted by blue eyed pony    
That's more to do with the balance of your saddle [too high in front] than the saddle itself. What I meant was the classical position with the long leg. It's very difficult to hold a good classical position in a CC saddle especially if you go from a highly supportive almost force-you-into-a-good-position dressage saddle to the more open CC.

I just realized I forgot to post my photo of Monty and I over 95 in the cheap little AP... hahaah oops! I'll have another go.

Edit; excuse my being a little behind the movement, defensive riding is a habit of mine ever since having a horse that had a really dirty stop.
Well... I guess I can't judge my own position in the saddle then since it's so badly fitted. XD

I've never ridden in a dressage saddle either. O: Excuse me for being a western girl for four years, bareback for five, australian for a bit, and english for only three (mostly AP saddles).

I really need to get myself in a dressage saddle just for the feel of it.

Nice jump, by the way! What's the difference with that AP saddle from a jumping saddle? And what brand is it?
     
    11-27-2012, 08:23 PM
  #44
Trained
Dressage saddles are amazing <3 [I'm not a big fan of mine though]... a good one is just divine.

A jumping saddle usually has a shallower seat, and the flaps are usually cut farther forward. Other than that there's a lot of variation. My little cheapo AP is a Kincade which are utter rubbish but it served us well for a while. I've had Wintec AP's too and they're not bad but I can't recall ever having ridden in one that actually fit me...

Thank you! That's a really old photo now [nearly a year!!] and I'm still trying to get my lower leg back after making the switch to my jumping saddle. I pinch with my knees now. Never used to, but because of it my leg swings back now.
     
    11-27-2012, 10:22 PM
  #45
Foal
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Originally Posted by blue eyed pony    
Dressage saddles are amazing <3 [I'm not a big fan of mine though]... a good one is just divine.

A jumping saddle usually has a shallower seat, and the flaps are usually cut farther forward. Other than that there's a lot of variation. My little cheapo AP is a Kincade which are utter rubbish but it served us well for a while. I've had Wintec AP's too and they're not bad but I can't recall ever having ridden in one that actually fit me...

Thank you! That's a really old photo now [nearly a year!!] and I'm still trying to get my lower leg back after making the switch to my jumping saddle. I pinch with my knees now. Never used to, but because of it my leg swings back now.
What's weird is that dressage saddles seem to run cheaper. O: Maybe it's just all of the cheap ones I find though.

Haha! I don't really like CC saddles all that much. I have only ridden in them and AP saddles (when riding english) and I much prefer the deeper seat. I guess since I don't do much XC now that I'm at a new barn, I want a nice, deep seat to keep me secure while we're flatting and in between jumps. It's just weird having a flatter seat like CC saddles. I guess jumping saddles are the same way.

Could you be pinching because of the knee rolls? I feel like since they're there, I'm always trying to get my knee right on the roll and pop over the jump. Another reason why I prefer AP. Smaller knee rolls. C;
     
    11-28-2012, 12:30 AM
  #46
Trained
I took the knee rolls out haha you got it spot on. My coach made me put knee rolls in my dressage saddle because I had barely any thigh contact and all of a sudden bang I am squeezing with my knees.

My little AP is now being borrowed by a friend and I am working on the pinching thing. I like proper jumping saddles because you can get out of them over your fence more easily.
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    11-28-2012, 07:15 AM
  #47
Weanling
Have you ever seen the Schleese saddle fitting videos on Youtube? They explain so many components of saddle fitting. The saddle has to be wide enough, the panels have to fit the shoulder angle, the weight bearing part has to sit in front of the horse's last rib, the channel has to have room for the spine even in the rear, there has to be room for the shoulder to move back, the billets have to hang straight down to where the girth will sit, etc.

After hearing the information, I realized none of my english saddles had ever been wide enough for the spine in the rear of the channel. No wonder the horses got sore backs after long rides.

     
    11-28-2012, 10:20 AM
  #48
Trained
Gottatrot, that's the thing I love most about my CC saddle - the channel is REALLY wide even at the back. I can fit 4 fingers at the point where channel and panels meet, and 7 fingers where the saddle actually contacts my horse. It allows for the flex of his spine as he bends through corners and he doesn't get nearly as sore in his loins in it as he does in his dressage saddle.
     
    11-28-2012, 01:43 PM
  #49
Yearling
You have to balance the width of any gullet/channel against the reduced panel area on the horse's back a wider gap allows.

A lot of older saddles have narrow channels and some of these may be more due to panel leather stretching over time than any deliberate design. Also bear in mind that because panel edges usually have a radius (ie they're not sharp right-angles) channels are often slightly wider across the horse's spine than they may at first appear.

Unfortunately there's always a certain amount of compromise, however good a fit the saddle is. I really wish there wasn't *sighs* :)
     
    11-28-2012, 02:29 PM
  #50
Trained
I'm just lucky I don't really have to worry that much about surface area for my saddle panels. I only weigh 109lbs or thereabouts and that's on a "fat" day. My horse is no tabletop either, I actually never ride him bareback because it's like sitting on a knife [though his topline is much improved on what it was 3 months ago], so large panel surface area just doesn't fit him properly.
     

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