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    03-12-2011, 10:52 PM
Green Broke
Wow, I guess never thought about this. I ride western & everybody where jeans.
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    03-12-2011, 10:54 PM
Green Broke
It seems funny that better saddles can take less abuse than cheaper ones. Personally I'd rather have a saddle that holds up better, especially if it will cost me less, lol. I've never had a problem with either of mine and I ride in jeans often. I have a Collegiate and a Marcel Toulouse. So no, neither of them is super high quality, but they aren't bottom of the barrel either. I've never had a mark on either of them from my jeans.
    03-12-2011, 11:05 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by bsms    
The Bates saddle I've got shows no wear from jeans. I've never ridden it in anything else.

I don't know what constitutes "normal jeans", but my Levi 501s don't have studs on the rear pocket. They are also all cotton, so maybe folks with fancier jeans with studs and artificial fibers have more problem.

Frankly, I'd be PISSED if my saddle was so flimsy that wearing blue jeans would harm it!
That makes no sense - top quality letter is extremely soft. When you're riding in something daily, for hours at a time, obviously scoring of the leather is possible. It doesn't make it flimsy whatsoever, it means grinding studs into it isn't the brightest thing to do.

Western saddles do not apply in this situation - they are constructed completely differently, with suede/roughout seats deliberately for better wear and tear. You won't find the soft leather of top quality English saddle on a Western saddle as they're typically designed for hard ranch work and it wouldn't make sense to have such soft leather.
    03-13-2011, 04:46 AM
Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
That makes no sense - top quality letter is extremely soft...It doesn't make it flimsy whatsoever, it means grinding studs into it isn't the brightest thing to do...
It makes sense to me. The goal of a saddle maker isn't to get the softest leather possible, but to balance flexible with durable and affordable. If they choose leather that is so soft that the seams on all-cotton jeans wears it away, then I think they have made a bad choice. Someone who spends $2000 on a saddle ought to expect it to hold up better than that.

I bought my Bates on sale for $1000, which was pretty good since it regularly sells for $1400+. It isn't a $6000 saddle, but neither is it a $600 saddle. The leather is holding up great.

But then, as I pointed out, my jeans - the arch-typical jeans, Levi 501s - are all cotton, and there are no studs on the back pockets. Nor do I dismount by sliding my front down the saddle. I push with my hip to drop down, or slide down on my hip and remove my left foot. Either way, my front doesn't come into contact with the saddle.

A lot of saddles are now being made with 'covered leather' - which apparently uses a more durable leather covered with a very soft leather. That sounds like the worst of both worlds, combining stiffer leather underneath with more easily damaged leather on top. But people can buy what they want at what price they can afford.

Me? If my Bates was showing wear and tear from cotton, I'd be angry at the choice of leather. As it is, I've seen none to date.
    03-13-2011, 04:57 AM
To be completely honest when I ride I'm generally more worried about my jeans :L I ride in denim shorts during the summer, and I get paranoid about my saddle rubbing leather marks onto my jeans, seeing as it does onto my jodphurs.

If your that worried about it, what about riding in your average cotton tights? I do, they are quite slippery to, which for me is good because I ride at home in my impossibly slippery tights, develop a decent seat in them so I don't slide around, then use my jodphurs for competitions and my butt and legs go nowhere .. Just an idea.
    03-13-2011, 05:01 AM
Maybe instead of riding in jeans buy leggings/jeggings and ride in them?
Idk I've never ridden in jeans before
    03-13-2011, 11:20 AM
Green Broke
Exactly bsms, if my saddle can't take wear from FABRIC, then I surely don't want it, as it will obviously not last as long, and would therefore be a waste of money. More expensive does not always mean better.
    03-13-2011, 12:18 PM
Green Broke
As a note, this is WHY we have breeches, as if you're spending $2,000 on a saddle, I rather assume it's expected you're a professional horseman wearing the proper clothing. The average pleasure or trail rider doesn't usually purchase such an expensive saddle.

A pair of jeans has never been considered suitable for English riding as they don't give the flexion expected.

My Collegiate Dressage has never had a problem, however it's 20 years old. A lot of top line jumping saddles though are made with perfect feel and moldability in mind to suit the type of riding. You don't get that with stiff thick leather.
    03-13-2011, 12:31 PM
Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
As a note, this is WHY we have breeches, as if you're spending $2,000 on a saddle, I rather assume it's expected you're a professional horseman wearing the proper clothing. The average pleasure or trail rider doesn't usually purchase such an expensive saddle.
Exactly. The leather on some saddles (Black Country or County comes in mind) is awesomely soft on touch, Bates I tried or Collegiate are not even near it (and before someone will call me snob I have Collegiate myself ). So no surprise jeans can leave a mark. Heck, they even left a mark on my Collegiate, so I don't wear them anymore.
    03-13-2011, 08:16 PM
Green Broke
Yep, depending on the softness of the leather jeans can wear down the seams of the side of the seat, which causes splitting. The softer the leather the faster it wears, and the cost of the item does not equal longevity! Calfskin is almost always more expensive leather option as it is so beautiful and incredibly soft, but doesn't last nearly as long as grain leather. I briefly owned a calfskin Antares that would scratch ALL. THE. TIME. I ended up selling it because I was afraid it wouldn't hold up. I never ride in jeans partially b/c I think it's uncomfortable but mostly because of this.

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