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post #11 of 21 Old 08-09-2009, 09:01 AM
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So then, does a single jointed snaffle always touch the palate? Does it depend on the size and shape of the horses mouth?

I'm trying to sort this all out in my head and those pics above did help. I'm assuming that with a light contact the single doesn't connect with the palate, but what about when your horse is a bit of a puller or leans on the bit?

I know that needs to be worked out in training (using seat & legs), but what would be the better bit to use in that situation while you're working through it?
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I keep going over it in my head and I think I'm right. Any Physics majors out there???

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No physics major here but still going through it in my head. And I'm not sure who I'm agreeing with here...but...

Wouldn't the single jointed bit hit the bars at somewhat of an angle causing more of a pinch effect while the double would press in more of a flat manner?
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I've confuzzled myself as well I think it would come down to how long the center piece is, how much pressure is going to placed on the bars.
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NOT the reason anyone here has given for using them. They say it's because the bits are less severe.
I wouldn't agree with that. When I started to look for the bits I did lots of research to get the right one to start my youngsters. In particularly there is a lot on Internet about horses with different mouth, how to measure it and how to choose bit according that. My both horses have low palate, so getting the single joint bit sounded unwise to me. So I started with the french link and it worked. I did change french link to Myler on one of them now mostly because I need a different size of the bit and couldn't find french link of that size with all I want in it (such as needed size, D or full cheek, and taste (copper or sweet iron)).
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So then, does a single jointed snaffle always touch the palate? Does it depend on the size and shape of the horses mouth?
No, it doesn't. It really depends on horse. If you stick a curved finger in horse mouth you can tell whether it has low palate if it touched the roof (?) of the mouth. Both mine do, BTW, and I can tell that by sticking fingers in mouth.
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Wouldn't the single jointed bit hit the bars at somewhat of an angle causing more of a pinch effect while the double would press in more of a flat manner?
I don't think that there is enough of an angle and the bars are not wide enough to make a difference.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought a full cheek snaffle with keepers was meant to prevent the bit arching up and touching the palette.

But you see what I mean when it comes to information about bits? With the pressure-measuring pads they have now it would be fairly easy to get a definite answer to all these questions - Just create a mock horse's mouth, get a device that always pulls with the same amount of force and use it to test bits. But no one seems interested in doing that.
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A full cheek snaffle is having a long full metal cheek piece on the outside of the mouth to keep it from pulling through and for training the horse to give to side pressure.

To Bill, Tony convinced me you are right. He said the pressure on the bars would be basically the same (or a negligible difference) whether there is one break in the middle or 2 breaks in the bit. We had a great conversation about bar vs tongue pressure. Curb vs snaffle bits.


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The dressage trainer I've worked with for the last 5-6 years starts and continues to ride all her horses and her clients horses in a french link loose ring type snaffle, and only switches to a different bit on those horses that are advanced enough to start riding in a double bridle, and even then most of the work is still done in a french link loose ring. It sits in the horse's mouth better, as mentioned before, and is a lot softer on the mouth than a lot of bits, but you do have to keep in mind, that any bit in the wrong hands can become severe and painful. In dressage you like to encourage chewing while the bridles on, and all the horses I've worked with in the french link seemed to like it better than what they were started in originally, if my trainer hadn't started them. I much prefer the french link loose ring, but I do keep an open mind that some horses don't work as well in it as others, based on their mouths, and conformation, and what they were started in ect. I do not believe that there is any "perfect" science to one "perfect" bit for every single horse out there, but there are some bits that just seem to work better for a wider range of horses than others.
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