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post #31 of 90 Old 06-03-2010, 02:35 PM
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Yeah, I remember "county", he was fun to argue/discuss with though. As well as RD (who is on different forum now).
Very true. Kevin is more like County's evil twin incarnated, lol. Like County if he had gone all "troll" on us. County at least had some reason behind much of what he said, if you asked him for an explination.
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post #32 of 90 Old 06-03-2010, 04:43 PM
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I have to agree with Kevin. Though I would likely never use one like the one the OP posted, sometimes it is just impossible to get a horse to respect the bit without teaching them that it can hurt them. On an older horse that had had it's mouth ruined by a stupid rider, sometimes it takes some pain to realign that horse's way of thinking. However, using this as a starter training tool on a young horse is just too much.

If a trainer can't get what they want from a fresh, young mouth without tearing it up, then there is some serious gaps in their training process.

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post #33 of 90 Old 06-03-2010, 05:07 PM
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I agree with Kevin on this one. That bit is not something to not use ever. That bit could be useful sometimes. We have a horse that is very hard mouthed, he was trained as a driving horse and because of poor horsemanship and stupid owner his mouth is ruined. He is so insensible that even with spurs is hard to control him. He is very sweet but he doesn't respect the bit. So in his case I will use such a bit, but only with someone with good hands. I will not put a novice rider on him, or myself. With such a bit you must know what you do, and you must have light hands. And I don't think that you should use this bit often, just for one, two or a couple of days. You need to teach the horse to respect the bit and then you can change this bit with a milder one.

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I still think it has no place in a horses mouth. If there is a necessity to inflict pain to get a response it IS possible to do so in a simple, SMOOTH, snaffle. The difference is that the smooth bit can also be comfortable for a contact, but the twisted wire cannot.

You only need to know how to use leverage to your advantage and you can make a snaffle as gentle or harsh as you like - I see no need to use twisted wire anything.

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These bits make me shudder. Whether you ride with contact or not, there will be contact at some point otherwise why in the hell put a bit in their mouth in the first place? Even with very gentle hands I fail to see how a bit of this design is necessary.

I wouldn't want a twisted wire bit in my mouth so I wouldn't put one in my horses mouth either. Bits should not be designed to compensate for poor skills.

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I feel like this bit has its place, but no one uses it in the correct place.

I think I recall someone in another thread saying how they needed one on a mule, I believe, because his mouth was so numbed and scarred that he physically COULD NOT FEEL anything else. That is a reason to use this bit.

But I think it's true that most people who could use one properly wouldn't need one in the first place.
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I still think it has no place in a horses mouth. If there is a necessity to inflict pain to get a response it IS possible to do so in a simple, SMOOTH, snaffle. The difference is that the smooth bit can also be comfortable for a contact, but the twisted wire cannot.

You only need to know how to use leverage to your advantage and you can make a snaffle as gentle or harsh as you like - I see no need to use twisted wire anything.
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post #39 of 90 Old 06-03-2010, 09:02 PM
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I think I recall someone in another thread saying how they needed one on a mule, I believe, because his mouth was so numbed and scarred that he physically COULD NOT FEEL anything else. That is a reason to use this bit.
In that case, you can use a hackamore or other bitless alternative. I know more than a few "hard-mouthed" horses that go quite well in some form of bitless bridle, or comibination bit (that uses a smooth mouth).
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I would never use a bit like that on my horse. We have had to use stronger bits on one of our horses to train a headset, but nothing that extreme. Owie :/!
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