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        06-10-2010, 03:10 PM
      #71
    Green Broke
    I didn't ready through all these I just wanted to put in my input. I went to go look at a Dun Grey Quarab filly the other day. She was beautiful and only 3 years old. And they said she had never been ridden. So the guy that owns her decided now would be the time to attempt to break her. First off he twitched the poor girl. (remember this was VERY hard for me to watch for this little filly!) he stuck the twitch in her halter and left it on her the entire time. All the while she's never seen a bridle or a saddle in her life and she is terrified for her life. He used a HUGE heavy saddle on her and then when he brought the bridle out I about melted. Because it had a twisted double wire bit.. and she looked in pain and freaked out the whole tiem he rode. And he rode with the twitch on. And all she did was not want to move because she was so confused. Poor girl. Needless to say I didn't take her home. Because it was going to be a trade i'd take her and give them our kid friendly pony and that was NOT happening to a perfectly good pony that can be ridden by kids.
         
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        06-11-2010, 04:38 PM
      #72
    Showing
    ^^ And that right there is pretty much the whole reason why some bits get the rep they have.
         
        06-11-2010, 04:50 PM
      #73
    Weanling
    I would disagree that they have no place, period. I have a five year old little girl who has a gypsy vanner cross pony. He went through a phase of yanking the reins out of her hands whenever he pleased, and she was just absolutely too little to stop him. So, for about 3 months she rode in a twisted wire snaffle, not as harsh as the one pictured, though. She was closely supervised, and it made a huge difference! She now rides in a plain eggbutt snaffle again, and Smoky listens to her WAY better. That has been my experience, but I am sure such bits are entirely overused/abused, just as are any quick fix gimmicks. . .
         
        06-11-2010, 05:54 PM
      #74
    Green Broke
    Yes smrobs i'm completely agree! I was outraged for the poor little quarab. And worst of all he "cowboyed" her just kind of got on without her ever seeing a saddle,bridle, or saddle pad before and was kicking her and smacking her on top of yanking on her mouth with the double twisted wire bit. We left pretty quickly after that.
         
        06-11-2010, 06:27 PM
      #75
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by payette    
    I would disagree that they have no place, period. I have a five year old little girl who has a gypsy vanner cross pony. He went through a phase of yanking the reins out of her hands whenever he pleased, and she was just absolutely too little to stop him. So, for about 3 months she rode in a twisted wire snaffle, not as harsh as the one pictured, though. She was closely supervised, and it made a huge difference! She now rides in a plain eggbutt snaffle again, and Smoky listens to her WAY better. That has been my experience, but I am sure such bits are entirely overused/abused, just as are any quick fix gimmicks. . .
    That is exactly what I intend to use one on Zierra for. I've put her in side reins before, and she will stand in one spot leaning as hard as she can on the bit, mouth gaping. There's simply no way to stop her. I just want something in her mouth briefly to make it not fun to lean on her bit. I would never use something like pictured, personally, I plan to start with just a plain twisted wire bit and see if it helps at all. My goal is to have her going back in her fat french link snaffle once she realizes hauling on her bit isn't fun. I'm not taking her out on the trails to race around with "woah", I'll be schooling her in a ring on a looser contact not a stangle hold. I, personally, don't see the bit pictured having much of a place in a horses mouth, but I can understand the need to get the horses attention once in awhile and focus.
         
        06-11-2010, 09:28 PM
      #76
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lilkitty90    
    worst of all he "cowboyed" her just kind of got on without her ever seeing a saddle,bridle, or saddle pad before and was kicking her and smacking her on top of yanking on her mouth with the double twisted wire bit.
    He may have "ignorant wanna-be horse tamered" her but he most certainly did not "cowboy" her. Had he really "cowboyed" her she would have been soft and relaxed and ready to do anything you ask of her. Most of my friends are or have been cowboys and none of them would have done that.
         
        06-11-2010, 09:44 PM
      #77
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
    That is exactly what I intend to use one on Zierra for. I've put her in side reins before, and she will stand in one spot leaning as hard as she can on the bit, mouth gaping. There's simply no way to stop her. I just want something in her mouth briefly to make it not fun to lean on her bit. I would never use something like pictured, personally, I plan to start with just a plain twisted wire bit and see if it helps at all. My goal is to have her going back in her fat french link snaffle once she realizes hauling on her bit isn't fun. I'm not taking her out on the trails to race around with "woah", I'll be schooling her in a ring on a looser contact not a stangle hold. I, personally, don't see the bit pictured having much of a place in a horses mouth, but I can understand the need to get the horses attention once in awhile and focus.
    Please please please don't use sidereins with a wire bit... The idea is for a horse to seek contact, and if it's painful, they won't want to seek the contact again.

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    I don't have a problem with certain bits when used properly. I have ridden in a (*gasp!*) spade bit in the past, on Dancer when showing western. The thing is, there was little to no contact ever. The problem with severe bits is that as soon as there is contact, you (generalized 'you') are using pain to teach.
    There are very, very few instances that I would condone the use of a textured (ridged) mouthpiece.
    My opinion only, please remember.
         
        06-11-2010, 10:02 PM
      #78
    Showing
    If anyone is interested I have found a great deal of help and information on bits in a couple of books.
    2 by Ed Connell that were written many years ago.
    Hackamore Reinsman and Reinsmen of the West-Bridles and Bits.
    The best thing you can do for your horse is to educate yourself about what you are sticking in his mouth and the proper use of it.
    The Myler's also have a very simple, short read book called A Whole Bit Better. Even if you don't like the bits, its has some good basic information.
    All that said, the twisted wire bit has a place. It should be used only by those who know how and why to use it. Those who use it because someone told them to or because they think they will have more power over their horse, need to take a step back and reevaluate there own training and knowledge base.
         
        06-11-2010, 10:12 PM
      #79
    Green Broke
    JustDressageIt - Don't worry, I wouldn't even think of it. This is purely an experiment to see if it helps at all, being ridden on a loose contact in an arena. I have no desire to tear her mouth apart, I just want to her to learn a consequence to yanking. I have seriously tried everything - even my Dressage coach was at a loss. If it's blatantly not working in the first half hour, I'll trash the bit, they're cheap as dirt anyway!
         
        06-11-2010, 10:19 PM
      #80
    Showing
    Okay! When I read that I thought "no, MM would never do that!" But I had to post anyways just in case someone else thought it might be a brilliant idea.
    Best of luck with your poneh :)
         

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