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  • Use of draw reins in dressage
  • What to do when horse wrenches at reins

 
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    09-11-2009, 07:18 AM
  #1
Weanling
Draw Reins.

First and foremost: I do NOT know how to properly use draw reins, and therefore I am in no way planning on trying to self-teach myself and risk messing up what I have worked so hard on with Beau. Ever.

Anyhow. I got into a .. heated discussion with a user on a non horse-related site that I frequently visit. She is a huge advocate of draw reins, trying to tell me how simple to use they are and how it only took three weeks to get her gelding collected, etc. Regardless of what she says, I'm not buying into it. I have no desire to use them on my horse, so that's out of the question. Indeed, I stated this several times, quite clearly. However, this person kept trying to press on me how ~*~amazing~*~ these things are, trying to convince me that yes I should use them because they are indeed the cure-all for collection.
As much as I tried to explain that collection sure as hell doesn't come in three weeks, and from EVERYTHING I have heard, 99% of the time, especially with people who DON'T know how to use them (like myself), all they do is create a false headset, hollow back, and possible dependency on them, she would not, I repeat WOULD NOT give in.
Maybe, possibly, if I had someone who really truly knew the PROPER way to use draw reins to teach me, then I would begin to even consider it. However, at this moment in time, the answer is no.

So tell me, HF users. What are your opinions on draw reins?
*Please excuse the half-rant nature of this post.
     
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    09-11-2009, 07:48 AM
  #2
Started
I use them. I have to say, they are great for teaching my gelding to get off of my hands and not lean on them. I ride with them once a week and it really helps him get an up hill canter and is slowly helping him bend to the right (it's normally like bending a 1500lb brick wall with my thirty pound leg)

That said, it does not create collection and I don't like using them more then once a week. You are not teaching anything if you use it everytime. I use them one ride, then the next ride I reinforce the same message without draw reins to teach him how to do it on his own. It really is a huge help when used correctly with the help of a trainer.

I have a question for people, if you use them do you use them on the side or underneath? I usually do underneath
     
    09-11-2009, 07:49 AM
  #3
Foal
draw reins are supposed to be used to encourage the horse to maintain a light contact on the bit while still moving forward freely into the contact

however, most people use them to wrench their horses heads in, like a quick fix instead of taking the time to work it in a proper outline (like that person you mentioned ^) obviously you don't get outline at all with draw reins you usually get the horses head up and in which as we all know is incorrect, and as you said the horse then goes hollow (obviously, this is all when used incorrectly)

I have never used them on my horses, but when I went to work at a showjumping yard, all of the horses I rode, bar 1, were worked in draw reins

here is a bit of into on draw reins & side reins

http://www.equisearch.com/horses_riding_training/english/dressage/eqreins2640/

what actually is it that you're aiming for because I have had experience with other training aids which I can recommend to you if I know what it is that you want to do ?
     
    09-11-2009, 07:56 AM
  #4
Foal
Quote:
I have a question for people, if you use them do you use them on the side or underneath? I usually do underneath


Whenever I have ridden in them, they have been attatched underneath, but I read that it's a more sever way of using them. however, in the correct hands (how you use them, once a week for getting him off your hands etc) I wouldn't say that it is severe at all
     
    09-11-2009, 09:14 AM
  #5
Weanling
I'm not aiming to do anything, really. I'm teaching my horse to give to the bit and asking him to step underneath himself. This discussion I got into was started because I was excited I had made progress with him.
     
    09-11-2009, 09:20 AM
  #6
Foal
oh right okay then =]
     
    09-11-2009, 10:55 PM
  #7
Started
The rider should never have to use a mechanical "aide" to get the horse to do anything. I have no desire to use draw reins, I don't think they have any place in training, but that's JMO.
     
    09-11-2009, 11:40 PM
  #8
Green Broke
I used them very briefly on my Arab mare. I do think they CAN be an excellent training tool, if used properly. I was under supervision of a top notch Dressage coach when I learned to use them, and the only purpose was to teach Zierra not to "star gaze". She had such a high headed movement, I couldn't seem to "explain" to her how to give to the bit. Like 1dog3cats, I'd only use them maybe once or twice a week, and the other rides would be encouraging what she learned.

I never cranked her head down, I never even asked her to be on the vertical, I only used them for showing her what I wanted her to do. She learned it so quickly I was able to discontinue their use within a few weeks completely and progress as normal.

I think you SHOULD be proud for not needing to use them. I don't think for even a second that every horse could benefit from them. I use them only in cases where I've exhausted other avenues. As I said, they CAN be a great training tool in the right hand, but I agree with you that they are NOT some "miracle fix" designed to be thrown on every horse. I have seen SO many pictures describing exactly what you said, people using them to force a headset and creating nothing but a strung out, hollow backed mess with a "pretty headset!" They worked for me, and I can actually seeing them being MORE beneficial for a fully properly trained horse to encourage some softness. I don't think they have any place for creating a headset on any horse, it's not what they're designed for.
     
    09-12-2009, 12:12 PM
  #9
Weanling
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Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
I used them very briefly on my Arab mare. I do think they CAN be an excellent training tool, if used properly. I was under supervision of a top notch Dressage coach when I learned to use them, and the only purpose was to teach Zierra not to "star gaze". She had such a high headed movement, I couldn't seem to "explain" to her how to give to the bit. Like 1dog3cats, I'd only use them maybe once or twice a week, and the other rides would be encouraging what she learned.

I never cranked her head down, I never even asked her to be on the vertical, I only used them for showing her what I wanted her to do. She learned it so quickly I was able to discontinue their use within a few weeks completely and progress as normal.

I think you SHOULD be proud for not needing to use them. I don't think for even a second that every horse could benefit from them. I use them only in cases where I've exhausted other avenues. As I said, they CAN be a great training tool in the right hand, but I agree with you that they are NOT some "miracle fix" designed to be thrown on every horse. I have seen SO many pictures describing exactly what you said, people using them to force a headset and creating nothing but a strung out, hollow backed mess with a "pretty headset!" They worked for me, and I can actually seeing them being MORE beneficial for a fully properly trained horse to encourage some softness. I don't think they have any place for creating a headset on any horse, it's not what they're designed for.
Thank you. Lmao, just, thank you for this post.
     
    09-12-2009, 03:21 PM
  #10
Started
I've never used them, but I don't have a problem with them as long as they're used by competent riders and not used as a crutch. They are a good training tool when used correctly and conservatively. I hate seeing people ride ONLY in draw reins (yes, some people actually do that) or using them every time they ride because they can't control the horse otherwise. If that's the case, they either need to find a really good trainer or sell the horse and get something they can handle.
     

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