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    01-09-2008, 12:16 AM
  #11
Weanling
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Originally Posted by tim
And Lane's right. If you want to lower your horses head, you'd probably use a training fork.

BTW, who writes the pop-up descriptions for the orange items?
I was actually going to say that you would use a training fork to lower their head but I was concerned that someone might think that I meant at the same time as draw reins so I decided against it.... it made me laugh when I read that you were thinking the same thing. :P

I too am curious as to who writes the little orange blogs as quite a few of them are not entirely accurate.
     
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    01-09-2008, 12:25 AM
  #12
Trained
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Originally Posted by I Love Lane
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Originally Posted by Spirithorse
I'm with jazzyrider on this one. I would never use draw reins. There are great ways to teach your horse to lower his head or whatever besides throwing on a piece of equipment to MAKE him do it.
why does this fail to suprise me - you have been anti everything that is not "natural horsemanship" that anyone has posted lately. Each to their own but I think that almost everyone is clear on your belief that Pat Parelli is the only person who knows what they are talking about. Don't misunderstand me, I am not having a go at you but draw reins do NOT make a horse lower their head - they pull the nose in. If the horse doesn't submit to the cue - they do nothing! Clearly you do not use such training aids on your horse as quite clearly they are "below" you so if you are not personally familiar with the pros and cons of using this perticular training device I can not see how you have any opinion at all as to the functionality of it.

Maybe instead of saying what not to do - you could suggest what could work as an alternative to draw reins
:( I don't know if this was aimed at me as well but in my defence I just want to say that I don't think such things are 'below me' I just like to try things without artificial aids...thats all
     
    01-09-2008, 12:53 AM
  #13
Weanling
Not at you Jazzy You are always open minded about things that you are not familiar with
     
    01-09-2008, 01:08 AM
  #14
Trained
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Originally Posted by I Love Lane
not at you Jazzy You are always open minded about things that you are not familiar with
ok cool I try to be open minded about everything or you end up with people getting up you all the time lol ;)
     
    01-09-2008, 09:44 AM
  #15
Green Broke
Whats up with natural horsemanship people and constantly screaming I DON'T MAKE MY HORSE DIO STUFF I ASK IT AND BECAUSE IT LOVES ME IT DOES IT. I think that is bull, because if your horse dosen't want to do it, you end up making it do it anyways or else your horse will take complete advantage of you. Im pretty sure you horse starting off dosen't want to put its head down. Eventually you end up making it.
     
    01-09-2008, 05:44 PM
  #16
Weanling
I know.......... :roll:
     
    01-09-2008, 07:20 PM
  #17
Weanling
I use draw reins but only when I feel the need to. (As in not all the time) I think if used properly, there are no more harmful than a bit, crop, saddle, martingale, etc. can and/or should be. Bits don't ruin horse's mouths, rough hands do. Draw reins don't force a horse to do anything that regular reins can't effectively do, its just a little added leverage. I used draw reins when I was training for Western Pleasure.. I used to ride my horse in an English snaffle and warm up using my draw reins and regular snaffle rein. I use the draw rein like a curb rein- only when needed. So when my horse started to lose his headset a bit, I'd use the draw rein.. When he set his head correctly, I relieved the pressure.

Effectively, its no different than using regular reins it just provides a little stronger leverage. As far as natural horsemanship is concerned, I'm not against it persay.. but any type of tack or even human contact isn't "natural" so if you are saying not to use draw reins because they are "unnatural" then why not rid yourself of all tack.

I think another advantage to them, is a horse whose neck is a little stiff or the muscle is underdeveloped, it helps provide a little muscle memory. (If this is the case, then you really shouldn't overdo it, because you don't want it to be a negative experience or to strain the muscles, etc.) Just using them 10 or so minutes a day can help loosen up a stiff horse, and make the rest of the ride less of a struggle.
     
    01-09-2008, 08:57 PM
  #18
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by drop_your_reins
but any type of tack or even human contact isn't "natural" so if you are saying not to use draw reins because they are "unnatural" then why not rid yourself of all tack.
Ahmen
     
    01-09-2008, 08:59 PM
  #19
Weanling
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Originally Posted by .Delete.
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Originally Posted by drop_your_reins
but any type of tack or even human contact isn't "natural" so if you are saying not to use draw reins because they are "unnatural" then why not rid yourself of all tack.
Ahmen
dito but I might spell it Amen
     
    01-09-2008, 11:42 PM
  #20
Started
:roll:

LOL I find all your responses funny. I should know better then to post MY OPINIONS on a public forum! Shame on me!

Actually, I DO have ways to get a horse to pull his nose in and it DOESN'T involve a piece of equipment.

I work the horse on hills to make sure he understands how to use his body and that he "pushes" himself along rather then "pulling" himself along.

Then I put the horse in a snaffle (double jointed) and comb the reins to ask them to stretch and reach for the bit at the walk and trot.

Once that is soft and consistant, I'll then do serpintines and bending exercises to get the horse to bring his head up to a happy medium between way down and up too high. If you get the ingrediants right, it all happens.......dare I say it........very naturally
     

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