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post #11 of 20 Old 06-06-2011, 04:01 PM
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So its ok for the little kids to yank on her nose, but not on her mouth?

Talk to your trainer about it. Maybe you can ask if he would put more advanced campers on her, so you don't have a problem with mouth hardening.

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So its ok for the little kids to yank on her nose, but not on her mouth?

Talk to your trainer about it. Maybe you can ask if he would put more advanced campers on her, so you don't have a problem with mouth hardening.
I never said it was OKAY ; I said it would be less painful , as there would not be a metal device in her mouth with a kid attatched to the other end of it .

There are only two advanced ranch camps ; in the others , there are no advanced campers , 95% of the camps are walk trot . But that doesn't change the fact that they're hauling on her . I was saying if she responds in a halter and lead , maybe she'll respond in a hackamore which would recuse the need for a bit .
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post #13 of 20 Old 06-07-2011, 01:39 PM
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A hack can break her jaw or nose if kids are pulling on it. A bosal or hack is not used in the same way that you use a bit and needs educated hands or it will be worse. If you think that using a hack will be less painful then you are making a mistake.

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post #14 of 20 Old 06-07-2011, 04:16 PM
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Iride, my thoughts exactly.

Hacks can be much more severe than people originally think.
Different pressure doesn't equal less painful pressure.
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post #15 of 20 Old 06-08-2011, 04:00 AM
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Why not try a jumping hackamore? Google Image Result for http://www.galadriel.shaftnet.org/horses/duchess/jumping-hackamore.jpeg

Very mild, padded noseband and everything!

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Hackmores tend to actually be more severe than a bit. If you don't have careful, soft hands and a well-adjusted hackamore it is easy to break the thin cartiledge of the nose.
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post #17 of 20 Old 06-08-2011, 04:41 PM
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Dezzistar- a traditional, long shanked hackamore can be very damaging, yes. I have found, however, that when someone says hackamore, what they really mean is 'bitless.' If you follow the link I posted in my previous post, you will find that what is being suggested has no leverage, and a padded noseband, and is overall a very gentle bridle.

ETA- A shanked hackamore should never be adjusted so that the noseband lies over the cartilage. Not only can it cut off air, it can, as you said, break the cartilage, provided you're abusing it.

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Some horses don't seem to like Hacks, well OK, MY horse hated the English Hack I tried on him with a passion, but he wears a longer shanked western style one very happily and is soft and light in it. He goes very nicely on a side pull as well.

In your situation IDK, I can really understand you wanting to protect her mouth, but you may make matter worse for her in a hack rather than better.

I wonder if a thicker rubber bit would work at all, maybe a mullen mouth, would they be less likely to hurt her in that? Then she may still respect your bit when you ride her.
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Sorry, aspin, I know the hackamore you are suggesting is very gentle. It is definitely the softest hackamore available, and is my favorite. They are hard to find though, I haven't seen them in any of my local tack stores. It seems like most people are selling something like this:


Which can be quite severe, especially when, like in th picture, the hackamore is placed too low on the nose. If used in this position it is too easy for someone with harsh hands to hurt the horse.
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^Yes, that one can be quite severe, which is why I am not suggesting it. I never did. Go to your tack store and ask for a leather nose sidepull, and bring someone knowledgeable with you if you can't tell the difference.

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