Thanks Jessie , it is an ANTILL . I found some like it on the web .I sure appricate the help . To answer the other questions , he is wanting to sell it and asked me if I could help , he don't know many horse people around here since they are new to the area . I don't know english but I thought that if I could find the maker I could get more info on what the saddle is so I don't look too dumb when I talk to my friends that ride english . I like to know what I have when I sell it to ! I don't want to comment on something that I don't have knowladge on ! The people that lived there before just left it and an endurance saddle and 2 western saddles , all in good condition and not the cheapest saddles either , left 3 goats and some other stuff ??? Don't know why , but I do appricate all the responses !