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  • Difference between a flash and a figure 8
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    10-05-2012, 10:18 AM
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Kitten, I know what you mean, it is so hard to find bridles with plain nosebands! I got a nice Jeremy & Lord one for Brock, every other bridle in store was had a crank, flash or grackle noseband, none of which I needed (but I swear he's has grown since I got it because I think he may need to move up to the WB size now...).
     
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    10-05-2012, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilHorseOfDoom    
kitten, I know what you mean, it is so hard to find bridles with plain nosebands! I got a nice Jeremy & Lord one for Brock, every other bridle in store was had a crank, flash or grackle noseband, none of which I needed (but I swear he's has grown since I got it because I think he may need to move up to the WB size now...).
I found one with plain noseband by Nunn Finer (love their products!) BUT it only comes in oversize. :( I use hunter bridle on my paint at the moment (I found dressage one with just noseband I use on my qh, but it's a different bit size, so I can't switch).
     
    10-05-2012, 10:41 AM
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Ooh, just checked their website, they do have some lovely bridles! I really like the custom bridle -that's what Brock needs, he's got a deep jaw and jowl (WB size), but his head isn't really long and WB cheek pieces would probably be too long (he's on the third shortest hole of six in the Full now, but is on the longest holes on both the noseband and the throat latch, so ideally needs them WB size). Not sure if they ship to Aus though...

Sorry for hijacking the thread, OP! Can't resist drooling over tack
     
    10-05-2012, 05:23 PM
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Green Broke
Phew, I'm not the only one who wants a plain noseband! I've had this bridle on my wishlist for a while now- one of the few black plain snaffle bridles I could find. I know you can take the flash part off a bridle, but then you have the loop sticking down still...

FWIW, I agree with trying to root-cause the reason why your horse is gaping rather than put on a flash or figure 8. The horse will still try to gape, which means there will be lots of tension in the jaw/poll.
     
    10-05-2012, 06:54 PM
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Phew, I'm not the only one who wants a plain noseband! I've had this bridle on my wishlist for a while now- one of the few black plain snaffle bridles I could find. I know you can take the flash part off a bridle, but then you have the loop sticking down still...
That's the one I was talking about Victory Canter English Tack & Apparel - Horse Tack - Bridles - Dressage - Nunn Finer Bonfire Bridle . I was thinking to ask for one as a present, but my paint has rather small head, so oversize will be huge most probably.
     
    10-06-2012, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by verona1016    
I know you can take the flash part off a bridle, but then you have the loop sticking down still...
The loop is very easy to have removed and doesn't look bad when its done right either :)

OP, a flash should do the trick. A figure 8 actually has the same action as a flash for the most part. Figure 8's just tend to be the fashion for jumpers and eventers. Some say it prevents a horse from twisting its jaw. The actual action is up for debate. I have been attending a lot of coaching prep clinics to get my coaching levels and they all say that the figure 8 has the same action as a flash.

Just like moving onto something outside of a simple snaffle, people will start saying there are a million other reasons why the horse may or may not need something. I am of the mind that if the basic reasons have been ruled out, ie the fit of the bit and how it works, saddle fit and teeth and its not rider error. Then you can move up to the next level.

Excuse me while I zip up my flame suit. I have a flash on just about every horse. Every trainer I have ridden with over the years uses them as well. Some horses don't really need them so we don't do them up tight. Some horses do need them and we adjust as needed.
     
    10-06-2012, 12:02 PM
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Weanling
I use a flash on my horse. I don't on everyone I ride, but I do on mine because he has a tendency to lock his jaw and lean on the bit, and ultimately run away with me. The flash isn't solve all, end all fix either, merely something to help me in the process of teaching him to not, and I don't rely on riding with it with him at all.

So honestly, I think its personal preference. My trainer uses very minimal equipment. (for example, she got the high point in Prix St. Georges this year, and was the only one competing with a plain snaffle, oh and no flash .)
     
    10-06-2012, 12:21 PM
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So honestly, I think its personal preference. My trainer uses very minimal equipment. (for example, she got the high point in Prix St. Georges this year, and was the only one competing with a plain snaffle, oh and no flash .)
Don't you need a double bridle at that level?
     
    10-06-2012, 12:23 PM
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I have been attending a lot of coaching prep clinics to get my coaching levels and they all say that the figure 8 has the same action as a flash.
Then I'm afraid the coaches need some coaching

The pressure points are completely different, for starters. And do they differentiate between a grakle and Mexican grakle, which differ in action?

If you think about it, why have two different nosebands doing exactly the same job? Doesn't make logical sense.
     
    10-06-2012, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by unclearthur    
Then I'm afraid the coaches need some coaching

The pressure points are completely different, for starters. And do they differentiate between a grakle and Mexican grakle, which differ in action?

If you think about it, why have two different nosebands doing exactly the same job? Doesn't make logical sense.
Nope they don't go into the difference between the two grakles.

The standard grakle is much more common around here and that is the one they keep referring to. The last prep clinic I attended I actually tried to bring up the Mexican and how it is different and I got growled at.

I even pulled out my Pony Club book lol.

I do firmly believe the Mexican has a different action then the standard and a drop. I find most standard grakles fit similar to a flash. I should have specified when I made the above comment.

I tend to forget about the Mexican as it is not commonly used in my area.

The other issue is many are adjusted wrong so they don't offer much of a difference in action.

So I will stand corrected! I honestly was surprised when the coach was saying they were no different. As I was always taught through PC and jumper barns that they have different action.

I will also state that I did two clinics with this woman and have no plans to return as I did not like her style at all. Her theory lessons were brutal stating that a 3 ring gag does not need two sets of reins, converters on a pelhem are completely fine and its okay to give a hyper pony Ace at a show *sigh*
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