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post #1 of 30 Old 02-13-2009, 01:38 AM Thread Starter
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French Link vs Snaffles

Well time is coming where I am going to be starting to bit the baby. All horses I have ever started, I have always started with a loose ring snaffle but it has come to my attention recently that a french link might be more of a benefit but the think is, I have never started a horse with one. One of my close friends starts her horses with a french link and I brought it up in conversation not long ago as to her reasoning for doing so.

Tho I am leaning more towards using a french link, I already own an eggbut snaffle (might actually be a D-ring, don't remember).

For those of you who have started your own horses what might your pros and cons/reasoning for using one over another?
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A french link only differs in the mouth. Anyhow, you can get an eggbutt frenchlink snaffle. I found one, Robart Pinchless Bits, French Link Eggbutt Snaffle Bit, Pinchless Bits,

Anyhow, I hear they are the gentlest, and the combination has to be the best to start most horses in. Not all I'm assuming, but most.
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I would suggest a snaffle with a Billy Allen mouth piece. Myler, for one, makes them but calls it a "barrel" mouth: http://mylerbitsusa.com/images/barre...nt_and_Top.jpg
The barrel in the center allows each side to move independently of the other and also prevents any chance collapsing in their mouth that is the typical nutcracker effect from a standard snaffle or even a 3 piece mouth.

I've been using that style mouth on most of my bits for years in all different configurations. Some of my bits are loose ring, some are offset, and one has shafts. I've used it on all different horses, from 2 year olds that I've started, ponies, and my working cow horses.

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I would suggest a snaffle with a Billy Allen mouth piece. Myler, for one, makes them but calls it a "barrel" mouth: http://mylerbitsusa.com/images/barre...nt_and_Top.jpg
The barrel in the center allows each side to move independently of the other and also prevents any chance collapsing in their mouth that is the typical nutcracker effect from a standard snaffle or even a 3 piece mouth.

I've been using that style mouth on most of my bits for years in all different configurations. Some of my bits are loose ring, some are offset, and one has shafts. I've used it on all different horses, from 2 year olds that I've started, ponies, and my working cow horses.
That is really interesting. I had never seen those before. Is that a bit that could be used for starting an english horse? It looks like it would be quite gentle.
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It is arguably the most gentle of any snaffle since it limits the rearward "collapse" of the mouth piece. I discovered it about 12 or 14 years ago and it is the only one I now use.

I've seen it in all configurations of cheek pieces, from a simple offset "D" to 8" shanks. English or Western.

Here is a video of the difference and how the Billy Allen works:


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Excellent video! Going to be looking into that some more. I don't think I had heard of them before or seen them. Thanks for sharing that bit of info!
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I haven't started any horses, but I do have a myler bit. My mare and gelding really like it (as well as every other horse i've ridden with it)
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Kelly, I was thinking about the bit and decided I needed a new one so I picked this one up on ebay. Great price and it's made of sweet iron and a thick mouth piece which I love for my horses: Abetta Billy Allen Dee Snaffle - Blue Steel - 5 - eBay (item 250370126243 end time Mar-09-09 17:52:55 PDT)
If you can use one, it's a good deal.

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Oh good! I am really liking that idea. What I need to do now tho is make sure that this type of bit is allowed in the show ring (Hunter/Jumpers). If they are allowed then by any means I'll be putting in the second order for it.

Thanks again for sharing this info, it's just so important to pick the right first bit for this guy. Really appreciate it.

Thanks Bill
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Kelly, you already know my stance on the issue; if you want, I can certainly pick one up for you at my discounted rate.
The one thing I will say is that you can get independent side action with a French Link as well - just not with a single joint.
Does Lizzy have any bits you can try in his mouth? Some horses respond better to different bits; for instance, Denny loves French links, and doesn't tolerate single-jointed bits well, he really fusses. Some horses prefer a roller. Some horses prefer a loose ring.
I definitely stand by my theory that a double jointed bit is the best type of mouthpiece for most horses.

OH!! And I have a 5" eggbutt french link if you want to try it and/or have it; it doesn't fit Denny, and chances are it won't fit a Friesian either.


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