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  • Wintec isabell serial number 2011
  • Broken girth point on Wintec saddle

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    01-23-2013, 12:14 AM
Frustrated - broken tree!

So needed to have a vent somewhere, thought horse forum would be the best place.

I bought my in very tidy condition Wintec Isabell nearly 2 years ago second hand. At the time I was told the saddle was not very old, and only used as a show saddle so kept in excellent condition. When it arrived, this all fit the story - so I had no need to question it's age.

Fast forward to late last year where I suspected one of the CAIR panels had burst and caused my mare to go sore. This was accompanied with the obvious hard section in the back of the saddle where it had consequently hurt my mare and a chiropractor helped her back out of pain. Saddle was no longer ridden in (well hadn't been as soon as mare went sore/I found the panel difference). Took the saddle into the local saddler in DEC, and they just reopened for repairs. Thinking it was only a changing to flock repair, I've not been too worried.

Got the call today that the saddle's tree has in fact been broken near the girth area. And to find out my saddle is not young, but 12yrs old now! I'm not throwing any blame onto the previous owner of the saddle for the tree breaking (though there has been some things that now slip into place but who knows really), but I'm really peeved they weren't completely truthful either about it's age. All the same, I've been riding in it on/off for the past two years, not sure when the tree broke, but the pressure must've pierced the panel, making the hard bit which alerted me. God I feel terrible for hurting my mare, despite not actually knowing!

Guess the point to this whole vent is to really make sure when buying second hand you get what you pay for. I didn't even second guess it's age (wouldn't have known where to look anyways) because it was as described in very good condition. Will be going in to see the saddler and where it's broken in the next couple of days, but I'm now looking at a costly repair for a beloved saddle - what a great start to the year

And before anyone asks, saddle is always treated exceptionally well - as if it was a child... I saved up for six years for it, so I wasn't about to waste that by biffing it around! Guess I should be thankful it looks good for it's age and once the tree is fixed, will be almost like new!
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    01-23-2013, 03:38 AM
Green Broke
There is a very simple way to check the tree.
Place the pommel against your hip, put both hands on the cantle and pull it towards you. The saddle should not flex, nor should it twist and a creaking noise is deffinatly bad!
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    01-23-2013, 06:33 AM
^ Be aware that method can snap a marginal tree. Do that to someone's saddle that's for sale, and it might be "You broke it, you've bought it.)

Is there some way to determine the age of a Wintec? From a serial number or something?
    01-23-2013, 07:11 AM
Green Broke
If it is marginal then I certainly wont be buying it! There is nothing that will prove that it wasnt broken before!!

If a seller isnt happy for me to test the tree on a saddle then I will assume that it is broken.
    01-23-2013, 07:19 AM
Originally Posted by Tack Collector    
Is there some way to determine the age of a Wintec? From a serial number or something?
I doubt it. I think they change models so that can give "approximate" age, but that's pretty much it.

OP, I had similar experience, but with western Wintec: tree broke. And friend of mine had the same experience too. I'm glad it didn't cause you an accident (as it did for me)!

I'm sorry you run across the dishonest seller - that's really unpleasant!
    01-23-2013, 08:26 AM
A friend of mine nearly died due to a broken tree while out on a X-country course. Didn't realise it was broken, a piece of metal went straight into the young horse's back and he flipped himself over backwards and nearly broke the riders neck.

This is why I am very hesitant to buy a second hand saddle sight unseen, you can't test to be sure that it is in as good a condition as advertised.

Faye I agree with you in that I won't purchase a saddle unless the seller will let me test it. I'd much rather snap a marginal tree and get away with not purchasing the saddle, than buying it, riding in it and having it snap on my horse's back.
    01-23-2013, 08:35 AM
Green Broke
Is CAIR even 12 years old? I thought that was a fairly recent along with the Isabell, didn't think that was 12 years old either.
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    01-23-2013, 08:37 AM
Green Broke
Cair can be retrofitted to some saddles
    01-23-2013, 08:41 AM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by faye    
Cair can be retrofitted to some saddles
Learn something new everyday. Don't know why anyone would want to though.

OP- do you have a picture of your saddle by chance? I'm just curious what the older versions look like? I have a wintec and love it and it's about 3-4 years old probably but I have the normal flocking.
    01-23-2013, 11:02 AM
Originally Posted by Tack Collector    
^ Be aware that method can snap a marginal tree. Do that to someone's saddle that's for sale, and it might be "You broke it, you've bought it.)

Is there some way to determine the age of a Wintec? From a serial number or something?
I sent a Wintec serial number to Wintec a couple years ago, and they e-mailed me back with the model description and manufacture month/year. It took them about a week, and they weren't nearly as pleasant about it as Stubben and Passier are.

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