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    08-18-2009, 01:48 PM
  #1
Foal
Full cheek bit question

I have been using a dutch gag on my pony and she goes well in it, she also goes well in a half cheek french link. I use the gag for hacking as she tends to bolt when she gets too excited and I find I can bring her back in that, so nobody nag me about using a harsh bit on a small pony because they can be just as strong as horses.

I find the gag makes her chuck her head up at an arkward angle when doing sharp turns in jump offs at shows, however the half cheek french link isn't quite enough sometimes at shows.

I wanted to get a full cheek bit as people have told me when you use them with the keepers they give you slightly more control and are very good for turning, what are other peoples experiences with this bit and do you think I should get a french link full cheek or a single joint as she goes well enough in both???
     
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    08-18-2009, 02:19 PM
  #2
Showing
Well, french link whether it's a full cheek or eggbutt or whatever is a mild bit. Full cheek let you turn the horse's head more easily. Also it's good if you use to pull the bit through the horse mouth. I'm not very positive it'll be better alternative for bolting (unless you do one-rein stop).
     
    08-18-2009, 02:40 PM
  #3
Trained
I used to have a strong, powerful, forward horse - still have him, but he's a totally different horse now under saddle when jumping and doing CC. If you have to use a Gag in the arena during Jumper Shows, then perhaps you should go back to doing lots of flat work, incorporating Seat Into Hands Into Legs To Soften.

I had big issues when I first got my TB gelding *Big 16.3hh guy* who was very powerful, very forward, very strong when we would go over fences. Thanks to Dorothy Crowell *CIC**** n CCI**** Eventer* whom I cliniqued with - she taught me how to utalize my seat and my legs to bring him back down to me, to become that smooth, soft, supple horse that is definitely needed in the Jumper Ring.

I do use a 3 Ring Elevator Bit with him ONLY when we Fox Hunt. Reason being, is we are surrounded by 10 - 30 other horses, hounds, horns, lots of activity and I need that extra something to keep him under control while surrounded by all those other horse/rider teams so we don't get into trouble.

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I find the gag makes her chuck her head up at an arkward angle when doing sharp turns in jump offs at shows, however the half cheek french link isn't quite enough sometimes at shows.
Yes, the Gag does this- - because not only it is putting pressure on the horses lips, it is also doing the NutCracker effect onto the top of your horses mouth, putting pain and pressure there. This causes your horse to throw their head up.

Then the reins, while being pulled and yanked - is putting allot of pressure onto the horses Poll - which makes the horse bring their head down.

So now your horse is confused, in pain and has no clue as to what their rider wants. "Head down? But I must throw my head up to escape the pressure."

The reason why the Full Cheek isn't working, is because both you and your horse need to go back to training, to learn how to incorporate your seat, your legs and how to use them to bring your horse down to you.

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I wanted to get a full cheek bit as people have told me when you use them with the keepers they give you slightly more control and are very good for turning, what are other peoples experiences with this bit and do you think I should get a french link full cheek or a single joint as she goes well enough in both???
This is hogwash - the Full Cheek Snaffle Bit was designed to sit a certain way in your horses mouth, and the Full Cheek Snaffle must be used with the Keepers for the bit to remain properly positioned while in use.

When you do not use the keepers, the bit is no longer positioned the way it was designed to rest in the horses mouth, which means the bit isnt doing it's' job.

The keepers are there only to ensure the bit is positioned properly in the horses mouth.

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The issue isn't the bit. The bit is only a quick fix to momentarily mute the real problem - Missing links in the Training Scale for both horse and rider.
     
    08-19-2009, 02:33 AM
  #4
Foal
Sorry I wasn't clear before but I only ever use the gag for hacking on the forest because I always hack with at least 3 other horses she she gets very excited.
I will keep using the gag while hacking because I don't think anything will make her behave with other horses and its not fair on them if I can't control my horse.

Please don't assume my horse need reschooled, she is very well schooled and has been doing very well in the dressage we did over the winter.

I wanted to get the full cheek because i'm not happy using the gag at shows but find the french link half cheek diffcult to turn in.
     
    08-19-2009, 06:43 AM
  #5
Showing
Jessie, first I want to welcome you to the forum.

Your thread is somewhat confusing as you claim your horse to be well schooled yet you can't turn him in the ring using a French Link snaffle. If your horse will not work properly in the ring with that bit, a full cheek will not necessarily help you. The only improvement that a full cheek will give you is the ability to pull your horse's head around using the cheek pieces without pulling it through his mouth. It is particularly made for a young or green horse that does not know how to work off your other aids.

I need to agree with MIEventer in that if turning is your problem in the ring and stopping is the problem on a hack, then perhaps your pony does needs more schooling.
     
    08-19-2009, 11:41 AM
  #6
Foal
Sorry, I didn't explain very well, Jessie is perfect at home , there is nothing to correct with her, at shows she gets very over excited and difficult as she has had a sarcoid and has only been competing again for a few weeks, we give her Oxyshot to calm her down.

I wanted to try a full cheek bit to give me a little extra help steering at shows. There is nothing I can do with schooling to teach her to behave in a different place with strange horses, I thought the bit might help me while she gets used to being back in competition.
     

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