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    07-31-2010, 08:28 PM
  #1
Banned
This Goes In a Horse's MOUTH?!

To me, this looks like some form of torture device. I can't believe someone would put this in their horse's mouth!

Anyways, my question is: How does it work? What does the chain do?

Dover Saddlery | Mikmar Pelham Bit w/ Slanted Low Port Mouthpiece .

Also, what in heaven's name is THIS bit supposed to do? OUCH! Looks painful to me!

http://www.doversaddlery.com/mikmar-...01734/cn/1471/
     
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    07-31-2010, 08:37 PM
  #2
Showing
I have seen bits a lot worse than either of those but that still doesn't mean that I would use either of them .

The first bit, the chain is the curb chain to make it into a leverage bit. I am not really clear on how exactly the angled, hinged mouthpiece is supposed to work but I can tell you that most people would end up with a horse gaping their mouths with that much tongue pressure.

The second bit is designed to make a horse tuck their nose and flex at the poll to create the illusion of being soft on the bit. I think the little loops on the end of the strings go through the rein rings at the bottom and then you attach your reins to them. That way, when you pick up on the reins, not only are you moving the actual bit and applying a curb action with the curb strap, you are also putting pressure on the nose.

I personally really dislike the mikmar bits because a) if you need to use every pressure point on the horse's head to get them soft on the bit, then you have a training problem, and b) the straight bar mouth pieces allow for zero tongue relief and unless the horse has been properly prepared for a mouth like that (i/e a vaquero's spade bit horse), then it will lead to head tossing and mouth gaping.
     
    07-31-2010, 08:40 PM
  #3
Showing
Sorry for the double post but I just wanted to point out that there are likely some people who would have success with the mikmar bits if the horse was prepared properly.

This bit looks incredibly harsh and has the potential to do real damage to a horse but that is exactly why it takes years to make a "bridle horse" that is ridden in this type of bit.
     
    07-31-2010, 08:43 PM
  #4
Banned
O.o the bit you posted looks like it has springs attached at the top. I wonder what those do? And all those chains at the bottom... Yikes!
     
    07-31-2010, 08:45 PM
  #5
Showing
It isn't quite so bad as it looks if it is in the right hands. They spend years preparing the horse to ride in a bit like that and they never, ever, ever actually contact the bit. They only have to slightly lessen the slack in the rein to get the desired reaction.
     
    07-31-2010, 08:46 PM
  #6
Banned
Oh, check this one out. It's called a "mule bit" but apperently it's used on horses too: http://www.valleyvet.com/group_images/31743_A.jpg

I certainly wouldn't want that in my mouth!
     
    07-31-2010, 08:47 PM
  #7
Showing
Here is a pic I found that describes how that second mikmar bit works
     
    07-31-2010, 08:48 PM
  #8
Banned
Hmm... It doesn't seem like it would be so bad as long as the person wasn't yanking the horse's face off with it...
     
    07-31-2010, 09:25 PM
  #9
Yearling
So is the mikmar about getting the horse into a head set? And that one with the bicycle chain looking mouth piece is frightening even though all the hinges seem like they would be a good idea.
     
    07-31-2010, 09:27 PM
  #10
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by smrobs    
Sorry for the double post but I just wanted to point out that there are likely some people who would have success with the mikmar bits if the horse was prepared properly.

This bit looks incredibly harsh and has the potential to do real damage to a horse but that is exactly why it takes years to make a "bridle horse" that is ridden in this type of bit.
Any ideas on why they would train a horse that much just to put a big bit in their mouth? And what is that stick with a hook on it in the background- is that holding the bit for the photo or is it part of the bit and if so, what does that do??????
     

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