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post #41 of 59 Old 01-26-2011, 08:48 PM Thread Starter
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Yes I ride english. I don't have a video sadly and I haven't ridden him since November and won't be able to for a couple months. What kind of bit would you suggest trying?
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So I am not all the way through it but I already have a question. Now in regards to my Fjord gelding. He is very very heavy on the hands. He leans on my hands a lot and is therefore pretty hard mouthed. It can sometimes take a while to stop him becuase he leans in t the pressure and pulls. I have tried a mechanical hackamore on him to see how he liked it and he really wasn't a fan of it. He threw his had a lot and was very unimpressed. I was reading and mozart said that the Little S hackamore can be used for horses who are heavy on the mouth. Woudl this be a good thing to try with my Fjord? I use a french link and a simple single joint snaffle on him. 2 seperate bridles.
I don't know how to answer your question exactly, but leaning on your hands is a problem not often solved by bitting. If he's leaning into pressure, don't give him something to lean against. Uneven pressure in the reins will make it so he's forced to stop on his own and not just ram his body into the bit.

I would think that if he didn't like a mechanical, he wouldn't like a Little S any better.

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So I am not all the way through it but I already have a question. Now in regards to my Fjord gelding. He is very very heavy on the hands. He leans on my hands a lot and is therefore pretty hard mouthed. It can sometimes take a while to stop him becuase he leans in t the pressure and pulls. I have tried a mechanical hackamore on him to see how he liked it and he really wasn't a fan of it. He threw his had a lot and was very unimpressed. I was reading and mozart said that the Little S hackamore can be used for horses who are heavy on the mouth. Woudl this be a good thing to try with my Fjord? I use a french link and a simple single joint snaffle on him. 2 seperate bridles.
My Tb used to be heavy on the hands too and threw his head alot, so that's why I tried the hackamore and he loves it now. Id say try the hackamore a bit more and see it took a few times for my horse to respond to it. Just make sure the hack is fitted right and the chain or strap underneath isnt too tight.


Some time this week ill make you a video of me riding in my gelding in the mechanical hackamore.

O Just for peoples information I NEVER told her to use a hackamore and snaffle, we were discussing what eric lamaze uses
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Thanks Eventer. It shouldn't matter if you suggested or told me to use a hackamore and snaffle. It'd be you opinion but yes we were discussing Eric Lamaze's use because I know he rides in one.
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Thanks Eventer. It shouldn't matter if you suggested or told me to use a hackamore and snaffle. It'd be you opinion but yes we were discussing Eric Lamaze's use because I know he rides in one.
Im not as well versed on english bits, but I will suggest a smaller mouthpiece, or perhaps a bit with a little leverage. Also, try to re evalutae WHY he is on the bit. It could be a training issue...a bit isnt a band aid :)
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Well you prob know I use a hackamore, and I love it. Some horses work better in hackamore. If you want to use a hackamore in jumping for a bit more control and still use a snaffle in dressage that be a good idea. I use a hackamore because my horse has a sensitive mouth and he listens alot better in one, I barely use any contact now he respects when I pull back. Before when I rode in a bit I would have to pull and pull to stop him.. I felt bad..





I really don't know where to start with you, so Ill say this. The hacks you have ARE NOT as sensitive as you think. You have the curb extremely tight....when you pull back of course the horse will stop....youre bruising her/his jaw with the hack adjusted like that.

Horses don't stop because of a bit...a proper halt is achieved with the body. Stop whining about pieces of equipment....my guess is training would have made up for the issues youve had with your horse.
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The smaller the bit the harsher it is, a snaffle is not harsh at all. I rode my tb for 3 years in a bit and we went no where in training cause there was always an issue to deal with so once I got him in a hackamore everything changed. He listens to me, doesnt shake his head, doesnt pull me out of the saddle....
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I really don't know where to start with you, so Ill say this. The hacks you have ARE NOT as sensitive as you think. You have the curb extremely tight....when you pull back of course the horse will stop....youre bruising her/his jaw with the hack adjusted like that.

Horses don't stop because of a bit...a proper halt is achieved with the body. Stop whining about pieces of equipment....my guess is training would have made up for the issues youve had with your horse.
Excuse me but I have argued over this issue before, and my curb was NOT to tight I can fit 2 fingers in it easily and if you havent noticed he has a winter coat so it looks like its tighter than it really is. The longer shank hackamore the chain actually hangs down its not adjusted in anyway.
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Excuse me but I have argued over this issue before, and my curb was NOT to tight I can fit 2 fingers in it easily and if you havent noticed he has a winter coat so it looks like its tighter than it really is. The longer shank hackamore the chain actually hangs down its not adjusted in anyway.
The longer the shank more severe as well :)

You picked 2 crappy hacks, that's for sure. Your horses wouldve been better off in a snaffle.

Did you ever even bother to check your horses teeth?
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You are seriously talking to me like I don't know anything about riding or horses, and yea he gets his teeth floated once a year :)

And you think and if you didnt look at the different hacks one is less severe than the other. And how can you tell by a photo if the curb is tight or not... have you ever ridden in a hackamore? Or dealt with a horse than needed one?
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