HDR_Pro_CC_165W_XL pictures by saddles4sale_2009 - Photobucket
That is the Pro CC XL that I used to own, if you want to see what the leather and tree shape looks like. That's the hazelnut color. The lighter color in those pics was just the seller's camera. IRL, it looked like the darker color pics in that album. The tree is flatter/straighter not banana-backed.
That site has a fantastic price on the Pro CC. The one I had was wide tree. The twist was wide, and the seat was shallow and I didn't think it had a well-defined sweet spot. The leather was good quality but has a painted finish that rubs off ,like they all do. HDR is not the only company that uses "corrected" (painted) finishes.
The HDR Pro Jump and the especially the Rivellas are highly regarded. The Stubbens are nice saddles but not "hawt" in the h/j ring now. The older ccs have the panels too close together at the rear but you can have a saddles split them and swing them out. The newer ones with that big disgusting Stubben oval nameplate on the cantle have the panels spaced wider.
Since Stubbens are slow selling now, there are some deals out there. I bought a brand new Edelweiss CS 16.5 32cm for $700 + shipping without fittings. I love it. The seat is padded, the twist is perfect for me, the stirrup bars are recessed enough, and 16.5" is all the seat I'll ever need. I have a monger thigh and short calf, so the CS flap with the forward swing and it's also short, is perfect. 31cm Stubben seems to fit many TBs unless they are very narrow.
$700 was the best "friend" price that my tack store owner friend could get me on a Rivella leas year. For $700, I'd take any Stubben over any HDR/Rivella.
I sold that HDR Pro XL cc for $500 + shipping with top quality fittings on it and it took a long time to find a buyer for it. Most people offered me $450 or so, so getting a new Pro CC @ $440 is a good deal if it's the saddle you really want. A uses Stubben, if you don't overpay, might be a better value. HDR just isn't the same league.