I'll stick with the saddles because i'm running late on my break time and I can only do one. I really like that you are getting a close contact. They are fine for flat work and if you don't like a deep seat for jumping (it can be restricting) they are great saddles. I have used bates and wintecs my whole life and I really love them. The wintec cc and bates cc are almost the same thing but one is in synthetic and the other is leather. I would go with bates out of your 3 options. they are really comfy hardy saddles. And if you condition them they get even more comforable.