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    02-23-2009, 07:44 PM
  #21
Foal
I have heard the same thing about the CAIR panels. Either your horse hates them or loves them. I figured I wouldn't take the chance and since wool panels can be customized I went with the klimke.
I've ridden in it twice and I'm in love. Chloe is moving out so much better now and so much more willing to canter. Her right lead is even a lot easier to get.
I'm having my dressage trainer look at it tomorrow (I know, I know, I said he was going to friday but I couldn't get out til late. He will for sure tomorrow since I have a lesson with him) I'm having a saddle fitter that works with stubben and is sort of, I guess, an affiliate with my trainer come out and take a look at it. He'll customize it if need be. He just needs to return my phone call... haha.
     
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    02-23-2009, 08:00 PM
  #22
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Originally Posted by luvs2ride1979    
Wool flocked saddles are the best! You can have them adjusted to fit your horse perfectly, and when new, they will break in and mold to your horse's back. Ride without any saddle pad for the first 10-20 rides to speed up the break in process.
Right but they also conform to your horse's back - so if your horse has a muscle knot, that will be formed in there as well. Or if your horse changes shape, the saddle is molded to the shape he was at that point in time. Imagine sleeping on a pillow that is made of memory foam, only it doesn't reform every time you lie down. It stays the same as the impression you made when it molded to you the first few times you slept on it. Not so comfortable if you shift or anything changes, right?

Whereas with the CAIR panels they are filled with air, so they will mold to your horses back and perfectly conform EVERY ride, always. If your horse changes shape, the air in the panels will too. If your horse has a muscle knot, the air will relieve the pressure around that. If you use the saddle on one horse, then on another horse, the air panels will form to fit each horse that's being ridden as they are ridden.

Also what if you are uneven as a rider for chiropractic reasons or other reasons (no one is symmetrical). Your weight in the saddle will affect the weight distribution on the horse's back, and the wool will form with the amount of pressure coming from the rider as well. Again the CAIR panels will not do that and they will adjust so that if you are uneven, the air will better distribute the pressure across the horse to reduce pressure points, something that a wool or foam flocked saddle can not do.

Here's some great thermographic imaging and additional information on the difference between an air filled saddle and a wool filled one:
CAIR Panel System : Scientific Research
     
    02-23-2009, 08:01 PM
  #23
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Originally Posted by saraequestrian    
i have heard the same thing about the CAIR panels. Either your horse hates them or loves them. I figured I wouldn't take the chance and since wool panels can be customized I went with the klimke.
I've ridden in it twice and I'm in love. Chloe is moving out so much better now and so much more willing to canter. Her right lead is even a lot easier to get.
I'm having my dressage trainer look at it tomorrow (I know, I know, I said he was going to friday but I couldn't get out til late. He will for sure tomorrow since I have a lesson with him) I'm having a saddle fitter that works with stubben and is sort of, I guess, an affiliate with my trainer come out and take a look at it. He'll customize it if need be. He just needs to return my phone call... haha.
Just FYI I've ridden over 50 horses in CAIR saddles and all have loved them. The ones that hate it imo and experience are few and far between.

Regardless - it sounds like your new saddle is working out nicely, which is what matters the most. :)
     
    02-24-2009, 08:02 AM
  #24
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Originally Posted by CJ82Sky    
Right but they also conform to your horse's back - so if your horse has a muscle knot, that will be formed in there as well. Or if your horse changes shape, the saddle is molded to the shape he was at that point in time. Imagine sleeping on a pillow that is made of memory foam, only it doesn't reform every time you lie down. It stays the same as the impression you made when it molded to you the first few times you slept on it. Not so comfortable if you shift or anything changes, right?
Wool flocking, GOOD wool flocking, will adjust with time. It also should conform to the general shape of your horse's back, not to every scab or bump. It takes WEEKS for the wool flocking to mold and break in. If your horse has a muscle knot that long, then I'd think you'd figure it out and have his/her back worked on...

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Whereas with the CAIR panels they are filled with air, so they will mold to your horses back and perfectly conform EVERY ride, always. If your horse changes shape, the air in the panels will too. If your horse has a muscle knot, the air will relieve the pressure around that. If you use the saddle on one horse, then on another horse, the air panels will form to fit each horse that's being ridden as they are ridden.
CAIR panels only adjust so much. They have to fit the general shape of your horse's back without a rider in the saddle. If the panel shape is rounded on the bottom and your horse has a flat back (or vice versa) then the saddle will not be comfortable for you horse. THIS is why some horses don't go well in CAIR paneled saddles.

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Also what if you are uneven as a rider for chiropractic reasons or other reasons (no one is symmetrical). Your weight in the saddle will affect the weight distribution on the horse's back, and the wool will form with the amount of pressure coming from the rider as well. Again the CAIR panels will not do that and they will adjust so that if you are uneven, the air will better distribute the pressure across the horse to reduce pressure points, something that a wool or foam flocked saddle can not do.
Wool flocked saddles can be adjusted as time goes on. A wool flocked saddle should be looked at by a saddle fitter once a year, or at the very least, every 2 years. Any imbalances in the saddle can be corrected then. A horse and/or rider has to be pretty darn out of balance for an extended period to effect the wool flocking like that...

Also, CAIR panels do NOT "share" air between the panels. The air bladders are not connected. If you're heavy on one side, your horse will still feel it plain as day.

I have SEEN cair saddles fail a PLIP test (Port Lewis Impression Pad), more than one saddle. If the saddle fits the horse well, in all aspects, then I agree, cair saddles are great. But, the do NOT fit ALL horses well, as back shape plays a large roll in how the horse will perform and like the saddle. CAIR panels will work only if they are close to the horse's back shape to start with.

With a wool flocked saddle, you can physically change the shape of the panels and even the fit of the front of the tree. You can change the flocking if the saddle bridges or if the saddle is imbalanced. These are minor to moderate adjustments of course, but none of them can be made with a CAIR saddle or a foam flocked saddle.

My daughter has a Wintec Pro-Jump with CAIR panels. It works well on my mare, but my gelding hates it, no matter what I do to adjust it.
     
    02-26-2009, 02:56 PM
  #25
Foal
I totally sees both sides to those points about CAIR and wool panels.
I chose wool because, as luvs2ride said, it can be changed. Chloe will change as she has just started dressage and truly working her topline... and if I bought a saddle that can't be altered it might not fit six months from now.

We are having great success with the klimke. She has absolutely no reaction when I run my fingertips down her spine/back muscles... yay for no soreness! Also, her stride is twice as long.
I will try to get pictures of her working in the saddle soon! :)
     
    03-04-2009, 12:01 AM
  #26
Foal
The Startrekk Treeless Saddles are great for horses who need to develop a top line. They are comfortable for the horse and rider; and fully adjustable as the horse changes. The pommels are interchangeable and the saddle will flex for a perfect fit. The Dressage model has wool flocking but the other saddles have moveable leather covered airex panels. Please check out my website, BellagiosTack.com. There is also a saddle fit guide that may be helpful. I think these saddles will surprise you.
I also sell adjustable treed saddles by The Saddle Company, but personally, I only use the Startrekks.
Ann
     
    03-04-2009, 01:40 AM
  #27
Yearling
Hmm...Hope to see pici's soon. I'd like to see how the horse looks like with the saddle on...
     

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