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    02-12-2013, 06:22 PM
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I was wondering about that. But in some photos it looks ok.
     
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    02-12-2013, 06:24 PM
  #12
Foal
LOL, he's so dirty.... I should have brushed him before taking pics. He does seem to be a little rump high, but I did feel balanced sitting in the saddle. There could have been a very slight rocking motion, not enough that I could be sure it was rocking. I have only owned one english saddle before this that I rode in for the last 11 years, so I don't have much to compare it to.
     
    02-12-2013, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CopperPony    
LOL, he's so dirty.... I should have brushed him before taking pics. He does seem to be a little rump high, but I did feel balanced sitting in the saddle. There could have been a very slight rocking motion, not enough that I could be sure it was rocking. I have only owned one english saddle before this that I rode in for the last 11 years, so I don't have much to compare it to.
It just looks far to close to the withers for me. Its sitting low without the girth even being done up. With your weight in the saddle it doesn't look like it would give nearly enough clearance. Remember if a saddle is sitting to close to the withers it can actually make the horses legs buckle and cause them to collapse.
     
    02-12-2013, 06:30 PM
  #14
Foal
Thanks so much everyone!! Some Great Information. Very helpful. NBEventer - I can narrow it to get 4 fingers under. This was the width that didn't pinch his "shoulder area". I will try again to narrow it to 4 fingers and see if I can get it so it isn't pinching. If it sat higher up front, it may not fling up so far in the back?
     
    02-12-2013, 06:39 PM
  #15
Foal
I had it at this width when I rode in it the other day, this is girthed, but not tightly.
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    02-13-2013, 09:45 AM
  #16
Weanling
That saddle appears as if it would fit a horse that is a little narrower than your horse, with more of a curve to the topline. It appears from the photos that your horse's back is both too wide and also too flat for the saddle. The problem with adjustable trees is that they only change the front of the saddle. So if you make it wider, it will sit down more where it is supposed to since the channel is too narrow for him. But only in the front of the saddle, so this tips up the back. If you make it narrower, then the panels cannot sit down on the horse at all. So either you will have the saddle tipping to the front and concentrating the pressure in one small area, or else you will have the saddle tipping side to side because it sits up too high on the horse.
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    02-13-2013, 10:01 AM
  #17
Foal
Yes, all the comments were confirming my original thoughts about the fit, I wanted to hear some more opinions before trying to sell it and go back to the endless frustrating saddle search, since my saddle fit knowledge is limited to watching the schleeze fit video sticky posts on this forum.


Again, thanks so much for your help. So nice to be able to get others opinions.
     
    02-13-2013, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by CopperPony    
Yes, all the comments were confirming my original thoughts about the fit, I wanted to hear some more opinions before trying to sell it and go back to the endless frustrating saddle search, since my saddle fit knowledge is limited to watching the schleeze fit video sticky posts on this forum.


Again, thanks so much for your help. So nice to be able to get others opinions.
We're here if you have any questions. Your pony thanks you for doing your homework to make sure he has a proper fit.
     
    02-13-2013, 02:01 PM
  #19
Weanling
You can safely ignore any 'rule' regarding clearance at the pommel. The rule is actually 'clearance right along the gullet'. There's no specific finger-height requirement.

I don't see how anyone can say the saddle is too narrow or too wide from your pictures, since there are none that show the shoulder/front arch angle and without that it's all sheer conjecture. What the first picture shows is the saddle balance biased down at the pommel (ie. It's lower than it should be). That means when you ride it's likely you have to lean back slightly to counteract this, but that depends on how the horse's back profile changes as it moves (dynamic balance, as someone else pointed out).

The pommel might be sitting low because (i) the saddle's too wide and it's dropping straight down or (ii) the saddle's too narrow and it's slipping back to a narrower point of the horse or (iii) the saddle's the correct width but the panel is the wrong shape and not giving sufficient support, usually over the muscle directly behind the shoulder which is often poorly developed. Perhaps you can see why it's a difficult issue to diagnose online.

It's a major design fault of many close-contact saddles that they don't allow for the very common 'hollow-behind-the-shoulder' problem.

I think the rear panel issue is much less of a problem than the front and only needs consideration if the front can be corrected, which might be possible if tree-width and panel shape are both suitable and the saddle is flocked rather than foam or fibre filled.

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to correct a few misconceptions and try to explain why, in this situation, a single problem might have a variety of causes.

Hope that helps :)
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    02-13-2013, 02:09 PM
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You can safely ignore any 'rule' regarding clearance at the pommel. The rule is actually 'clearance right along the gullet'. There's no specific finger-height requirement.

I don't see how anyone can say the saddle is too narrow or too wide from your pictures, since there are none that show the shoulder/front arch angle and without that it's all sheer conjecture. What the first picture shows is the saddle balance biased down at the pommel (ie. It's lower than it should be). That means when you ride it's likely you have to lean back slightly to counteract this, but that depends on how the horse's back profile changes as it moves (dynamic balance, as someone else pointed out).

The pommel might be sitting low because (i) the saddle's too wide and it's dropping straight down or (ii) the saddle's too narrow and it's slipping back to a narrower point of the horse or (iii) the saddle's the correct width but the panel is the wrong shape and not giving sufficient support, usually over the muscle directly behind the shoulder which is often poorly developed. Perhaps you can see why it's a difficult issue to diagnose online.

It's a major design fault of many close-contact saddles that they don't allow for the very common 'hollow-behind-the-shoulder' problem.

I think the rear panel issue is much less of a problem than the front and only needs consideration if the front can be corrected, which might be possible if tree-width and panel shape are both suitable and the saddle is flocked rather than foam or fibre filled.

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to correct a few misconceptions and try to explain why, in this situation, a single problem might have a variety of causes.

Hope that helps :)
Yes gullet clearance is most important. However the last Schleese saddle fitting clinic said no less then 3 fingers at the withers. If the saddle is sitting to low at the withers then you are causing serious issues with your horse. I recently bought a new saddle, the gullet clearance was perfect. But it sat WAY to low on her withers(2 fingers) and she had it on less then 5 minutes and was telling me to get bent. So new saddle is being sold, Schleese saddle is being ordered. They seem to be the only saddle that fits her correctly. Plus its my excuse to get the eagle cross country i've been drooling over
     

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