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    02-13-2013, 03:16 PM
  #21
Yearling
Schleese may say it but that doesn't make it fact.

Fact is a well fitted saddle will sit lower under a heavier rider than usual. That doesn't mean it fits any worse, but throws definitive clearance measurement into a cocked hat.

Best of luck with your purchase - their saddles look very well made to me :)
     
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    02-13-2013, 03:19 PM
  #22
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by unclearthur    
Schleese may say it but that doesn't make it fact.

Fact is a well fitted saddle will sit lower under a heavier rider than usual. That doesn't mean it fits any worse, but throws definitive clearance measurement into a cocked hat.

Best of luck with your purchase - their saddles look very well made to me :)
Think about it. Pinching of the withers causes a horses front legs to buckle. Which is why stallions grab at the withers. Wither pressure = pinching = poor fit = soundness issues.

That is like saying "oh its okay if my sneakers are a size to small I can still run a marathon in them".

This is why when custom saddles are done they ask the riders weight and height
     
    02-13-2013, 03:23 PM
  #23
Trained
The horse doesn't take measurements. It doesn't know if it has 1 finger or 8. If it doesn't hit the withers when riding, and fits elsewhere, then the horse will think it fits.
     
    02-13-2013, 03:28 PM
  #24
Yearling
Sorry, but you're looking at this issue from a single perspective.

The fact a saddle has less than three finger clearance over the withers doesn't mean it will pinch. That depends more on the tree and panel shapes, in relation to the horse, than anything else.

In fact, if you simply look at wither clearance as a guide to fit you are MORE likely to have a saddle that pinches, in my experience, because it's likely fitted too narrow.
     
    02-13-2013, 03:29 PM
  #25
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by bsms    
The horse doesn't take measurements. It doesn't know if it has 1 finger or 8. If it doesn't hit the withers when riding, and fits elsewhere, then the horse will think it fits.
When you are standing still sitting on your horses back there should be minimum 3 fingers clearance. Because as you start working and doing things your saddle will move. Which means that if you don't even have a fingers clearance your saddle is going to rub your horses withers.

Show me a horse that will happily have the pommel of their saddle bang on their withers.

Saddle I just bought fit her standing in the cross ties. Had perfect gullet clearance, 3 fingers between the pommel and withers. I took her in the arena, sat on her, went to 2 fingers. As I started riding the saddle started rubbing her withers. Which lead to a fantastic rodeo style bronc session.

Now tell me why the 3 finger clearance should not be a rule?
     
    02-13-2013, 03:37 PM
  #26
Weanling
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Originally Posted by unclearthur    
Sorry, but you're looking at this issue from a single perspective.

The fact a saddle has less than three finger clearance over the withers doesn't mean it will pinch. That depends more on the tree and panel shapes, in relation to the horse, than anything else.

In fact, if you simply look at wither clearance as a guide to fit you are MORE likely to have a saddle that pinches, in my experience, because it's likely fitted too narrow.
Interesting, my gelding was a lesson horse... The saddle he wore in lessons did not fit him in the withers, which has caused scarring due to that... his withers are all white hairs. Can you explain that it was not caused due to a ill fitting saddle? When I bought him the saddle came with him, I had a profession fitter out and she had told me it was because it's pinching his wither, otherwise fits well everywhere else.

Now this is not him, but this is a picture showing exactly what his withers look like:

     
    02-13-2013, 03:37 PM
  #27
Yearling
Because flat-withered cobby horses, or those croup-high, often have more than three finger clearance and high-withered TBs less. Ergo it can't be a 'rule'.

And I suspect the panel of the saddle you tried settled as you rode, which is why panel is equally as important as tree.
     
    02-13-2013, 03:41 PM
  #28
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The better way to judge would be if the rider were to sit on it - you can get away with some discrepancies if the rider is really light but a heavier rider I think might push this saddle right down at the front and onto the withers while at the same time tilting it up at the back
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    02-13-2013, 03:42 PM
  #29
Trained
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Originally Posted by NBEventer    
When you are standing still sitting on your horses back there should be minimum 3 fingers clearance. Because as you start working and doing things your saddle will move. Which means that if you don't even have a fingers clearance your saddle is going to rub your horses withers...
Golly. I must not move much in the saddle, because if the tree is supporting it properly elsewhere, my saddles don't bang on the withers of my tall withered horses. And yes, I'm anal enough to have stuck my hand in there to check while we were cantering. I'm 180 lbs, and my saddles when cantering lose maybe a finger, maybe a little less from the front of the gullet.

My horses have tall withers. The gelding would be stoic about it, but my mare sure wouldn't be.

I'm reminded of what a visiting British officer told us when I went thru USAF OTS many years ago: "Regulations are made for the guidance of the wise and the strict adherence of fools!" - one of the best pieces of advice I got in my 25 years in the military...
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    02-13-2013, 03:45 PM
  #30
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Originally Posted by unclearthur    
Because flat-withered cobby horses, or those croup-high, often have more than three finger clearance and high-withered TBs less. Ergo it can't be a 'rule'.

And I suspect the panel of the saddle you tried settled as you rode, which is why panel is equally as important as tree.
Actually this is why if you do have a low withered wide cob (which I do)its important to get a custom fitted saddle because they have an awful tendency to slip to one side if you don't - especially if you have to get off and back on at some point on a hack/trail ride and don't want to walk for ages to find something to stand on.
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