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post #1 of 10 Old 08-15-2012, 07:38 PM Thread Starter
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I am confused about what I was told about a nose band

Can soemone please clarify for me?

I was told that a rope noseband is more severe than a metal noseband like this:


This is what I was told:
"Actually, just an FYI...these kinds of nosebands won't tear up a horse's nose near as much as a rope noseband...especially if it's one of those narrow piggin string nosebands. This is for a horse that tends to lean on a noseband and on your hands. It has just enough bite that they will back off of it and not lean on it like they would other nosebands. In fact, most of them almost immediately tend to back off and pay attention,thus saving their nose. Of course, ANY bit, even a snaffle, can be harsh in the wrong hands."

Is it true?

[I know the last part about any bit being harsh is true.]
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post #2 of 10 Old 08-15-2012, 07:40 PM
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In a word? No.
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post #3 of 10 Old 08-15-2012, 07:40 PM Thread Starter
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That is what I thought, but I just wanted to make sure and not make a big fool out of myself.
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post #4 of 10 Old 08-15-2012, 08:44 PM Thread Starter
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"Ask any bit maker....they'll tell you if you don't believe me. Actually chain nosebands are the easiest on the nose. And I've never seen a metal noseband break a horse's nose and I've seen a lot of horses in 40+ years of training. But then maybe I'm around horsemen that know how to use this type of headgear. Like I said, any bit can be harsh and do damage in the wrong hands...and just an FYI....if it's used like that, that wire wrap will cut through vetwrap anyway. BITS are painful. That's how they work. I had a horse who had his tongue almost cut off by the previous owner and had never been ridden in anything but an O ring.....if you think your horse doesn't feel some sort of pain from any type of headgear, you're wrong."

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post #5 of 10 Old 08-17-2012, 01:23 PM
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I hate how every discussion of bits ends up in the incredibly-not-useful statement of "Even a snaffle in the wrong hands can be harsh" :eyeroll:

It sounds like the person telling you this was basically saying that the metal noseband pictured is SO harsh that the horse won't pull against it AT ALL. A rope is going to have more friction, so probably is more likely to rub the horse raw, but I don't think there's any question that that metal noseband is highly uncomfortable. You'd have to define what type of rope noseband you're comparing against (thickness, material, etc.) to say which is truly harsher.
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post #6 of 10 Old 08-17-2012, 04:24 PM
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They can both be harsh especially if the rope noseband is made from a stiff rope and could easily rub a horse raw. A regular smooth metal noseband won't rub but has more bite. Like if you lay a piece of small metal pipe across your shin and a piece of rope. Your probably going to get faster feeling with the metal vs the rope because the metal is harder and thinner then the rope.

So a metal noseband is harsher then a rope one especially if it is a twisted noseband or wire wrapped like the above photo.
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Wow, I wouldn't put something like that on a horse I hated.

Like others have said, the metal noseband is ever so much harsher, especially when paired with a chain curb strap like that one has. Yes, rope nosebands are abrasive and can easily skin up a horse, but they aren't terribly likely to cause real, permanent damage. Whereas with something like you pictured, you can seriously F a horse up, especially if you have bad hands.

The worst part is, I have never seen someone with good hands use anything like that so they are being used almost exclusively by people with bad hands. Sure, it will get them to stop leaning, because even a little bit of pressure with that thing equals agony for the horse.

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post #8 of 10 Old 08-17-2012, 06:45 PM Thread Starter
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So I am no the only one that thinks this. Thank God. I got attacked because I told them if they ever thought about using that norseband, they should at least wrap it.
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So I am no the only one that thinks this. Thank God. I got attacked because I told them if they ever thought about using that norseband, they should at least wrap it.

I agree, even my rope noseband sidepull is wrapped with vet wrap.
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post #10 of 10 Old 08-19-2012, 12:10 AM
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Vet wrap ALLL the nosebands.

'specially if you can have a differant color for every occasion.
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Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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