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post #11 of 21 Old 01-03-2013, 05:24 PM
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Looks like a riding form of an overcheck or bearing rein to be. I'd be careful. Just because it attached to the horse's pollstrap doesn't mean it isn't pulling on the bit- because the bridle is attached to the bit. All its really going to do is pull up so that its not your hands that are doing it. It won't change anything as far as hardening or yanking on her mouth.

What about pulling up, push her into a tight turn, and sending her forward? That way you aren't allowing her to go forward as a reward, but rather making her move her feet but not go anywhere. Other than that I'd use the dressage whip method and give her a good swat under the neck. She's not likely to try it again.

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Spanking a horse on the butt for pulling its head down through your hands and essentially being pig-headed is not hitting or abuse, it's consequence. Spank her butt and make her trot in tight circles until she gets her mouth of the bit. She will soon learn that it's easier to stay off your hands than it is to drag on them.

You'll only need to do it one or two times......
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Spanking a horse on the butt for pulling its head down through your hands and essentially being pig-headed is not hitting or abuse, it's consequence. Spank her butt and make her trot in tight circles until she gets her mouth of the bit. She will soon learn that it's easier to stay off your hands than it is to drag on them.

You'll only need to do it one or two times......
I don't think its abuse, I just don't like it. I do use a crop but I literally only touch it to her hindquarters to get her moving, and that's rare.

Edit: I will try making her do circles though. Thanks!

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I don't think its abuse, I just don't like it. I do use a crop but I literally only touch it to her hindquarters to get her moving, and that's rare.

Edit: I will try making her do circles though. Thanks!
Ok no worries, just sometimes a few minutes of asserting yourself can save miles of annoyance and frustration

Knew of someone who would let their horse routinely graze and one day the horse had its head down, spooked and took off, there was so much slack in the reins that the girl couldn't pull the horse up let alone pull herself together to shorten them in time and the horse stumbled and she came of.....rather ungracefully.....
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If it comes down to it I will use a crop to smack her butt a little harder but only if its a last call type thing.
I've come a really long ways with her without the use of one so it'd be nice to continue that, although I know that's not always possible.
Thank you everybody for your input, I"ll update after we work on it some more. (which, in this snow-laden ground I don't think will be for a little while. Haha)

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I don't think its abuse, I just don't like it. I do use a crop but I literally only touch it to her hindquarters to get her moving, and that's rare.

Edit: I will try making her do circles though. Thanks!
Herein lies the problem. Girl doesn't like to discipline+pony knows it+pony takes advantage=spoiled pony. Simple equation. There is no way around it. There is NO piece of tack that will correct this. ONLY YOU can correct it. Discipline with meaning and you won't have to nag.
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post #17 of 21 Old 01-03-2013, 11:32 PM
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ONLY YOU can correct it. Discipline with meaning and you won't have to nag.
This, horses do not work so well with negotiation, especially in this sort of situation. Nagging, and worrying at them just makes them switch off. Discipline with meaning is a fantastic description. I will add to that, with meaning and without anger, a short sharp shock, do it right you will only have to do it once or twice
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Personally, I jerk on the reins once, hard, and continue on my merry way. An occasional jerk of the reins will not cause a hard-mouthed horse, a constant pull does.
I've never ridden a horse that it hasnt worked with, and none have hard mouths (while I was riding them anyway).
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It is interesting how different people view things..

One camp would rather sweet talk a 1000 pound animal with no languge skills into becoming a good citizen.

Another camp wants to pull on the delicate mouth, and introduce a block to forward motion.

I prefer to go for the correction short and sharp behind the leg to provide forward impetus.

Interesting thought though my good old solid cob in the UK did put someone in hospital, as he managed to reach down and grab a mouthful of grass while cantering up a hill His novice rider wasn't expecting such a thing and came off.

I wonder if my method actually caused that one?? Yes that is a serious thought and question.
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Personally, I jerk on the reins once, hard, and continue on my merry way. An occasional jerk of the reins will not cause a hard-mouthed horse, a constant pull does.
I've never ridden a horse that it hasnt worked with, and none have hard mouths (while I was riding them anyway).
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Same here. My girl KNOWS not to try to graze, but every now and then she tries to sneak it in.

When she does, I jerk the reins up (not back) one time, HARD, and then continue like nothing happened. That stops it right then and there.

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