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post #1 of 15 Old 09-21-2013, 03:51 PM Thread Starter
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I don't want to ride a couch!

So, the saddle that I recently purchased for my horse doesn't fit... and is unable to be flocked to fit. I am unofficially back on the hunt for a english saddle, and I would like your opinions on what to consider.

I have two saddles currently: a Camelot AP saddle that does fit and is a nice starter saddle, and an old Kloster Schonthal Stylist that doesn't fit, but is absolutely PERFECT in every other way. I love the old saddle so very much- it's perfect for me, and other than the angle of the back panels, is fits my horse like a dream... we had our best rides ever with this saddle before I pulled it off him in fear of the fit. It's foam flocked and I would convert it to wool in a heart beat if the saddle fitter thought that it had enough space to properly cushion the horse, but she doesn't believe it would be so. I don't even want to sell it, just in case someday I might have a horse that would fit it.

So I want something as close to the Stylist as possible, but wool flocked, and more likely to fit my horse. I don't want knee rolls, blocks or all that padding. The Stylist has nothing, and I have found that I actually can find the sweet spot and stick so much better without all those "aids." The Camelot is a 17'' seat, but the Stylist is a 16.5,'' both fit well, may have something to do with the smaller having less padding. I prefer to ride with a longer stirrup, and having short legs, I look ridiculous in the Camelot because at my preferred length my legs are so far back that I am almost off the flap! The Stylist has much better shaped flaps for me, and I look like a normal person on them.

I know I'm probably looking for an older used saddle, and I'm fine with that. What brands/ model would y'all recommend? The Cosby PDN stands out immediately as being close. Stubben had some lesser padded saddles back in the day and I quite like my instructors old Siegfried, though I think I prefer no knee pad to having one now.

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post #2 of 15 Old 09-21-2013, 04:21 PM
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I seriously could not ride in a saddle without knee rolls, so I can't say what you might like, but this saddle(ebay) looks pretty close to what you might be looking for. I've used an older collegiate and it seemed to be good quality.

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I seriously could not ride in a saddle without knee rolls, so I can't say what you might like, but this saddle(ebay) looks pretty close to what you might be looking for. I've used an older collegiate and it seemed to be good quality.
That's a pretty neat looking saddle! I've tried a Collegiate before and liked the ride, though it didn't fit Conner's withers well. I will have to see if I can find some different saddle locally to try out what fits him.

I don't jump, so I don't really need rolls and blocks to help hold on. If I was flying around a jump course I might not be so happy to get rid of them.

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MT is very nice, and Collegiate is a good brand too. Unfortunately it's hard to suggest anything, because saddle fit is hit or miss really. :( I'd recommend to look in consignment stores around (if any) or if the selling person allows trial. You really want to try it first.

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A lot is going to depend on how much money you want to put into it.
I have to say that regardless of jumping/not jumping I find a saddle with knee rolls way more comfortable than without.
You should probably not restrict yourself - might widen your options.
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I have 4 of these. It's OK to be passionate about something, right? My husband is suggesting that I might not actually NEED all 4 of them, so I'll probably decide which 2 to sell in a week or two.

It's a Passier VS from the early '80's. It's an AP with jumping tendency. It's plain-flap, nicely balanced, wool-flocked. 3 are in mint condition (one isn't even broken in yet). I have newly flocked, perfectly flocked, and pretty firm yet still good flocking. One is in more used condition with flocking that has started to go a little lumpy and hard, but still OK for light riding for a little while longer. 3 medium trees and one X-tra wide.

I have 3, 16.5" (which actually measure to 16.75") and one 17". Doubtbtful that I'll ever part with the 17" one, but a couple of the others may head out the door soon.
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A lot of the saddles from the 80's are the same style as the Prix de Nations. the problem is that almost all of them were foam-flocked. Crump's Prix de Saute, Nice Saddlery (now HDR) had one, and lot sof smaller English sadlleries - but they're all foam.
The old Stubben Wotan is plain-flap. If you liked the Siegfired, you'll probably like that. They pop up on eBay now and then, and I do believe it's wool-flocked.

There are plenty of discussion on her about plain-flap vs knee-blocks. If you're happy in plain, then jump in plain. I've always jumped in plain and can't stand blocks. The conclusion in all the discussions on that subject (if there is a conclusion) is that different people like different things, different riders ride at all levels in all disciplines in both types, and you should ride in what you're comfortable in.
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Oops, correction. The Stubben Wotan does have small knee blocks. I wonder if you can just pop the stitching attaching them and just remove them. I've done that with other saddles before. It is wool flocked, though.
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I inherited an E Jeffries "The Huntsman" from my boyfriend's mother who got out of horses a number of years ago, and if you're looking for the opposite of a couch THAT is the saddle for you :P I'm used to my couch saddles, so when I tried it out just for grins one day it felt harder than a rock. The stirrup bars also seemed to kind of stick out into my thighs when I rode in it, but apparently the boyfriend's mom loved it. It seems like a nice, quality saddle, just not the one for me. No knee blocks or rolls, so pretty easy to choose your own position. I'd sell it to you if I felt I could, but she was very kind to give me all of her horse stuff so I don't feel comfortable selling it! Instead I just took the stirrups off and put them on my super comfy collegiate

I think it's this saddle, for what it's worth:
Lovely Jeffries Huntsman Saddle Made IN England 16 5 MED Wide | eBay

Also, I think that someone mentioned the Stubben Wontan- my barn manager has one of these, and it does have knee blocks. It doesn't have a padded flap and the blocks aren't too intrusive, but they are there. It's a nice saddle though- seemed pretty nice for the minute I sat in it, and the leather on hers is really supple.
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