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    05-09-2012, 06:39 AM
  #1
Trained
I just bought this bit...

...on ebay, and then it occurred to me that it might not be much good quality-wise, considering it's not coming from a name brand. It's a 5 inch, so I'm not sure if it will fit my horse (he is usually in a 5.5 but I have a sneaking suspicion that may be a tad large), but if not I can always sell it on, or keep it as a spare.

I was specifically looking for a french link baucher, but I couldn't find one with a flat link for my budget so I had to get the lozenge one... my horse prefers a flat link but will work well with a lozenge.

I have my reasons for wanting a baucher, none of which being more bit stability... I wanted something with as similar an action (minus chain) as I could find to the kimblewick I jump him in (no slots, very loose chain) and the baucher is the closest I could find that's dressage legal. Fixed cheekpiece attachment, unfixed rein attachment to the same ring as the mouthpiece. His eggbutt snaffle isn't quite enough to show in, I get nervous and he loses his head because of it. Last dressage test I rode was awful, he was rushy and tense and I could not keep him at a reasonable speed within his gaits.. and it took all my strength to get him to transition down from the first canter.

So this is what I ended up with. Thoughts? Does it look like the quality is ok? It was fairly cheap, and it's coming from the UK if that helps.


If it arrives and the quality is rubbish or it doesn't fit I can always palm it off to someone else (or throw it in the box full of spare bits) and if Monty likes it, buy another. I didn't want to spend retail for a quality baucher just to see if my horse likes it and responds well to it, they are crazy expensive here...
     
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    05-09-2012, 01:26 PM
  #2
Started
From the one picture it doesn't look like it's bad quality to me. I always check to make sure it's a solid metal and not a nickel plated thing or something of that sort.
     
    05-11-2012, 11:03 AM
  #3
Trained
Nickel looks chrome-y doesn't it? So that bright really shiny silver colour on the cheekpieces could be SS or it could be nickel plating. The mouthpiece is the bit I'm most concerned with, what are the possibilities for the shiny gold colour? Could be a solid bit of alloy, could be plated with something... but what?
     
    05-11-2012, 11:47 AM
  #4
Started
I have yet to see a gold "plated" bit but i'm sure it's possible. All of the ones i've come across that are gold or goldish in color are german silver, cyprium, cupreon, etc. copper/iron mixes of some type typically and non a coating or painted on thing.
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    05-11-2012, 01:43 PM
  #5
Trained
I had a look through the seller's ebay shop and the other similar bits they are selling say copper alloy so are we assuming it's all the way through? They sell a lot of stainless steel bits as well as the copper mix mouthpieces but I couldn't find straight SS in the cheekpiece I wanted so I got the copper mix. I just think that a bit with a gold mouthpiece looks a bit odd when the cheeks and the buckles on the bridle are silver!
     
    05-11-2012, 02:02 PM
  #6
Super Moderator
It is a very NICE bit. The mouth piece is made of Aurigan, an alloy designed to encourage salivation. It is found on very high end bits made by KK, among a few others.

And, I much prefer the shape of that link over the flat link. Again, those links are often seen on more expensive bits.

If you don't like it, let me know. I'll buy it from you.


However, unlike your idea of having a curb chain less kimberwicke.....unlike popular opinion, the baucher shown does not have any leverage action. None.
     
    05-11-2012, 03:07 PM
  #7
Trained
Allison, my horse prefers the flat link, he is strange! I prefer the oval, myself, and am using an oval link eggbutt to mouth my filly (fully Aurigan, even the rings, cost a fortune). But what works for the horse, works for the horse, so ideally I would have liked to have gotten something with the same mouthpiece as his eggbutt snaffle. My budget didn't extend that far.

It seems ebay is a wonderful way of finding bargains, if this bit is as nice as you say... I paid just under $40AU for it including postage from the UK. And it's brand new, never even seen a horse. My first ebay experience, and assuming this bit arrives as described, definitely an experience that'll have me going back for more.

I don't think my kimblewick has that much leverage, if any. No slots (it's got them but I only use them at shows or for XC), loose chain, he pokes his nose in it (mouthpiece, he doesn't like unjointed bits, but I don't have a choice because a jointed curb isn't allowed at my level of competition), so the rein ends up being quite high on the ring. The physics of it are very similar to the baucher because of how my horse goes when it's in his mouth. But, in my subconscious, it's a strong bit, and because of that, I don't get so nervous. That's what I want. Something that is strong in the depths of my mind, but that he can cope with. Too strong and he loses his head because he HAS been bitted up and bitted up and bitted up in the past with a rider who had really bad hands.

I am restricted to bits that are allowed in dressage competition, because I have a bit to jump in that I am very happy with, and I want to get more seriously into eventing... but I have to find something that gives ME the confidence I need so that I'm not worrying constantly about him getting out of control. That's what causes it now, I get nervous and revert back to old habits which he couldn't cope with then which caused the issues (him bolting) that I'm now scared of. Which causes him to bolt, which just perpetuates the nervousness.

So please don't tell me that it's not what I want from a bit, because I'm not doing this to control HIM... I'm doing it to control ME. That was the reasoning behind the kimblewick, even though I could have (should have) worked through the issues we were having in a snaffle... I was nervous which caused me to drop him and caused him to do whatever he pleased. Which was bolting at jumps, which he still does if I drop him. He gets tense and rushy on the flat if I'm nervous, which I am A LOT away from home due to previous issues I've had with this horse and others. We then have a dodgy dressage test, which sets me up for nerves in the jumping phases, and sets HIM up, therefore, to fail.

I need to find something for ME, not for my horse so much!
     
    05-11-2012, 05:15 PM
  #8
Yearling
All Filet Baucher's produce poll pressure through leverage - that's what they were designed for! But because of the fulcrum position it's very low level which is why they're dressage legal; more suggestive than forcing, like someone putting their hand on your head rather than pressing down.

You get potentially more leverage with a Kimblewick because of the square eye, but that's tempered by a vaguer rein action unless you're pedantic about raising or lowering your hands each time you give an aid.

There aren't that many volume bit makers. They're mostly in the Far East which is why you can't always get the mouthpiece/cheek combination you really want; if it's not popular enough they don't make it. The picture certainly looks like one of the alloy mouthpieces, which are fine. Aurigan bits are always stamped as such because it's a trademark.

Hope that helps :)
     
    05-11-2012, 05:49 PM
  #9
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by unclearthur    
All Filet Baucher's produce poll pressure through leverage - that's what they were designed for! But because of the fulcrum position it's very low level which is why they're dressage legal; more suggestive than forcing, like someone putting their hand on your head rather than pressing down.

You get potentially more leverage with a Kimblewick because of the square eye, but that's tempered by a vaguer rein action unless you're pedantic about raising or lowering your hands each time you give an aid.

There aren't that many volume bit makers. They're mostly in the Far East which is why you can't always get the mouthpiece/cheek combination you really want; if it's not popular enough they don't make it. The picture certainly looks like one of the alloy mouthpieces, which are fine. Aurigan bits are always stamped as such because it's a trademark.

Hope that helps :)
I used to think so, too. But I was wrong. Most Bauchers produce no poll pressure. There are tons of studys done. You are saying what I said many years ago. I was proven wrong, too. The shown baucher has round rings, not oblong (which might produce a minute amount of pressure).

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    05-12-2012, 01:22 AM
  #10
Trained
The SD website has a lot of good information but it also has a lot that I disagree with and seems very biased so I take anything they say with a pinch of salt... a lot of what they say, I have found in my experience to be untrue, especially in regard to the action of a single jointed snaffle. I don't know about your horses, or their horses, but a single joint doesn't lay that way in MY horse's mouth. Therefore the action is not as severe as they say. He still doesn't like them much... better than an unbroken mouthpiece, but not even close to what I get from him with a double jointed snaffle.

From seeing a few bauchers on people's horses, it certainly LOOKS like they act how my logic says they should. The rein ring moves back, the cheekstrap attachment stays in the same place or in some instances moves forward. Pretty much the same action as my kimblewick. And I don't think you can GET oblong-shaped bauchers here without buying online, which most people around here won't do when the bit they want is easily available in tack stores. Most people's horses aren't as picky about mouthpiece as mine!
     

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