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    01-09-2010, 12:33 AM
  #1
Yearling
ID Western Bit

Could someone identify this bit for me and tell me about it (pros, cons, etc)? I suspect it's a Mikmar bit, but I couldn't come up with an exact match when I searched online...

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Thank you! :)
     
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    01-09-2010, 12:36 AM
  #2
Trained
I don't know what the bit is called but the curb strap needs to go through the same hole as the headstall.
     
    01-09-2010, 10:48 PM
  #3
Weanling
It looks like a shank flat port roller to me
     
    01-09-2010, 10:54 PM
  #4
Showing
It looks similar to a Mikmar; however, none of theirs that I have seen are open underneath the roller.

It just looks to me like a simple ported bit with copper roller, probably no name brand. Also, Kevin is right, the curb strap should be attached where the headstall is.
     
    01-10-2010, 12:37 AM
  #5
Yearling
Ah, I had no idea about the curp strap. I thought it was normal since that's how his owners had it. =P I'll change that the next time I go out.

So what is a ported bit good for? The horse I am riding with this neck reins alright, but is completely stiff-necked/not supple/doesn't want to bend either way, and has no self carriage. When I ask him to give to the bit or to bend/supple using one rein he gapes and resists. Am I doing something wrong or should I ask his owners if I can stick him in a loose ring snaffle and start over from the beginning?
     
    01-10-2010, 11:06 AM
  #6
Showing
That problem may have stemmed from that bit being used improperly. I would ask the owners if you can start over with the snaffle to try to get him more relaxed and supple. As for correcting with one rein, even though this bit has swivel shanks, they are being held mostly stationary by the slobber bar and makes it confusing when you pick up one rein. In order for the one-rein to be effective, the shanks need to be able to swivel out to the side.

I personally don't care for bits like the one you posted because if you ever pick up the reins and contact the bit at all, there is no tongue relief and it smushes his tongue. That may be a part of the gaping problem. After you get him supple, you might also talk to the owners and see if they will let you try him in a ported bit without the roller and see if he likes it any better.
     
    01-11-2010, 11:01 PM
  #7
Yearling
Thank you for being so helpful, smrobs! That sounds like a good plan for me.
     
    01-12-2010, 08:16 AM
  #8
Showing
Smrobs has given you good advise. The bit is definitely not a Mikmar. It is a curb, possibly aluminum, with a copper roller. The copper is there to help the horse salivate, while the roller is there for the horse to play with. Not only is the curb strap in the wrong place, as Kevin said, but I don't see a buckle on one side so I have no idea how it stays on, let alone be effective.

I also don't like how the reins are attached, they should be attached directly to the shafts not the slobber bar.

I suspect that a good deal of the problem with the horse's headset comes from the way the bit is set up, the type of bit it is, and possibly how he is being ridden. If the bit setup is so wrong, I am guessing that he is also being ridden incorrectly. I would also check his teeth, saddle fit, etc.

What I would do with that horse if he came to me for training, is to go back to basics and start with a snaffle. The longer he has been in that setup the longer it's going to take to undo the problem it has created. Personally, I think the bit is the tip of the iceberg concerning his problem.
     
    01-16-2010, 11:37 AM
  #9
Foal
Does it say Quick on the inside of the right shank??
If it does...I would like to buy it!
I collect Quick bits for wall hangers! Long story behind it
     
    01-17-2010, 12:32 AM
  #10
Yearling
Thank you for the input, iridehorses! I aree with what you have said.
Basically, his owner just gave me what tack to put on him. I've talked with him about getting a vet and farrier out but I don't think it's going to happen. You know how people can get set in their ways... And I'm not that good a speaking up. I'm trying to figure out a better and more convincing way to tell his owners. But I'm going to ask to use a snaffle bit on him as well as changing the saddle. I think it fits him fine, but it puts me in the wrong position so that I can't effectively apply my aids. Although the horse is older (in his early twenties) I have a feeling that he was well trained. He just hasn't been ridden in so long by someone who actually knows what they're doing and isn't there just to run around the pasture. But enough of me ramling. I hope to make riding more enjoyable for him.

OzarkGrey, I did not check the inside of the bit shank. However it's not my bit so I couldn't sell it to you anyways. Sorry!
     

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