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  • Horses that don't pick up the bit
  • Purpose of tongue relief in a bit

 
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    03-18-2012, 03:35 PM
  #1
Weanling
Information on this bit?

So, this is the bit that my horse came with and I've been using it ever since.. but I want to learn some more information on it so that I can better understand what this bit is doing. It's called a Double-Jointed Ported Mouth bit. Any info? Is it harsh, etc?
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    03-18-2012, 04:24 PM
  #2
Green Broke
Not particularly. I don't know about specific information or history.

It is an Eggbutt snaffle - Gentle
It is double broken - Puts pressure on the tongue, some horses prefer this, and not the single jointed that can hit the roof of their mouths.
The curve in the middle - Gives mild tongue relief

So over all, a very good bit in my opinion :)
     
    03-18-2012, 04:29 PM
  #3
Trained
I don't like the tongue relief. Tongue relief does not provide relief to the tongue as the name implies. What it does is make it harder for the horse to pick the bit up with its tongue and allows more pressure to be applied to the bars of the horses mouth. I prefer for a horse to be able to pick up the bit and carry it. I think it provides for more feel and better response. I like a single joint loose ring snaffle if I'm going to use a snaffle.

As far as how "harsh" the bit is... that's completely up to you!
     
    03-18-2012, 05:17 PM
  #4
Super Moderator
Kevin, why would the horse not be able to pick up a double jointed snaffle and carry it the way you described? I use a French link, loose ring. So, the single jointed puts less pressure on the bars?
     
    03-18-2012, 05:38 PM
  #5
Super Moderator
I've also heard this bit referred to as a "half-moon" snaffle.

Other than that and what Ray said, I don't have more to add. I've never used one/seen one irl but they look interesting. I know a user named Grayshell13 just got one for her colt but she's in a different state than her horses right now and hasn't gotten the chance to try it out.
     
    03-18-2012, 05:42 PM
  #6
Green Broke
Tinyliny, the french link is a milder bit than the single jointed as it doesnt have the nutcracker action on the tongue and for some horses the joint of a single jointed snaffle can impact on the roof of the mouth.

Out of preferance Iwill always choose a double joint over a similar single jointed bit.
     
    03-18-2012, 06:01 PM
  #7
Trained
I wasn't implying that the horse can't carry a french link as easily as a single jount. I just don't have a french link loose ring. The tongue relief is what keeps the horse from picking up the bit. I don't know if it would have that effect with this particular bit (i think it would) but the purpose of tongue relief is to increase the pressure on the bars. A single joint bit will pinch the bars quite badly if used improperly. That said a lot of horses have been ridden and trained in single link snaffles and turned out to be fabulous horses.The thing that matters is the rider and how knowledgeable they are. Horses learn from teh release of pressure NOT the application of it.
     
    03-18-2012, 06:15 PM
  #8
Green Broke
Kevinshorses, I've met many many horses who went beautifully in a single jointed bit. Many off whom went even better in a double jointed bit. I've also met lots of horses that object to a single jointed bit.

I've owned one horse who went to medium level dressage (3rd level in the US)who was incredible in a double jointed snaffle who started head tossing, rearing and you wouldnt get one minute of sense from him in a single jointed bit, this was because a single jointed bit stabbed into his very low roof of the mouth.
     
    03-18-2012, 06:17 PM
  #9
Green Broke
But if you think about it, if a horse has a low palate, they wont like a single jointed mouth piece. So now you go to a double jointed french link, what if the horse doesn't like a whole lot of tongue pressure? This would be the best bit for that horse.

And what about curbs that have a ported mouth piece? They give tongue relief.
     
    03-18-2012, 06:23 PM
  #10
Green Broke
Stan also liked a low ported pelham, you couldnt put a high port on him because it would touch the roof of his mouth. However that is not dressage legal and he didnt have room in his mouth for a double set so as it was dressage legal to ride in the french link that's what we did.
     

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