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    07-18-2012, 10:39 PM
  #1
Weanling
Information and Views On This Noseband

Hello All,
I wanted to see what people thought about these nose bands? Have you ever used one? Do they work the way that they say they do?

Kineton Noseband - Jeffers
     
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    07-18-2012, 10:48 PM
  #2
Super Moderator
What style of riding are you doing? It is fine for XC/jumpers, but NOT in any hunter or dressage classes.

I have used it for bad pullers, but only for that problem. If your horse doesn't pull hard, don't use it.

While I am not a huge fan of Theresa's "blog"site, I do agree with her take on the kineton;











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A kineton/puller noseband.
The kineton noseband is an efficient way to stop the bit from hurting the mouth if the horse trips or jerks his head or seeks too heavy support or whatever. Because it moves the pressure away from the bars and onto the nose. It has a restraining function on the nose of the horse, like a hackamore without leverage. The regular, especially the drop noseband, has the same effect on the head of the horse, only, it applies its pressure via the lower jaw (which is pulled back and pulls the cavesson back which pulls on the nose). Only, the metal bit puts pressure on the bars, which can hurt. And if you pull alot on the reins, it can hurt alot. Pain. Rushing and pulling. Vicious circle.

The kineton can be adjusted so that most of the traction from the reins be taken up by the noseband, or less, or hardly anything. It can also be adjusted so that it is so short that it pulls the butts of the snaffle forward towards the nose, and thus inverts the V or you shape of the snaffle in the mouth. This is NOT how to use it.

Used in a correct way, it can help hot, rushing, sensitive horses from fearing the bit, and it can also help horses who open their mouths against a conventional noseband, because they feel them around their heads. Here, there's no chin strap, and nothing to open against. I've used this noseband successfully on many hot/unstable horses, and earned their trust and calm.
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    07-18-2012, 10:53 PM
  #3
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
What style of riding are you doing? It is fine for XC/jumpers, but NOT in any hunter or dressage classes.

I have used it for bad pullers, but only for that problem. If your horse doesn't pull hard, don't use it.

I have a paint mare who pulls pretty hard. She will hopefully be my low level jumper and eventer. I just got her in Feb and she had to build muscle and put on weight (got her as a rescue) so she has just started jumping under saddle and she gets quite strong. If anyone would like to give advice on if this would be helpful, below are links to Tia jumping under saddle with her current rider (I'm 9 months pregnant and am thus not riding Tia myself)

Over Due Tia Update with Pics and Videos

Tia's First Time Jumping Under Saddle

Tia's Jumping Progress
     
    07-18-2012, 10:59 PM
  #4
Super Moderator
If she is only doing low level work, I would concentrate on doing the flatwork needed to correct the problem. Pulling like that should not be tolerated in a green horse. I have used it on upper level horses who were supreme athletes and only because of the level of work being done. Even so, I would endeavor to get them back in a normal cavesson through their training.

I watched your videos and think you are going to have a great time with your horse. I don't see any behavior that would tempt me to put a kineton on. Just normal green behavior that is easily fixed. I tend to avoid gimmicks as much as I can.
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    07-19-2012, 07:18 AM
  #5
Weanling
I've never had a puller that I had to use one on, but when my trainer has run into a horse with that problem he made his own by taking a curb strap with a clip on either end, goes across the top of the nose (he uses a piece of yarn to wrap it around the regular caveson so it stays up on the nose) and then clips it to the bit. Seemed to work well but only a few bucks, instead of $90 or so (or whatever they are running these days!)
     
    07-20-2012, 01:45 PM
  #6
Yearling
We call them 'Elephant Stoppers' because they're that strong :)

I'd agree with what AF says. Except the quote from someone else's site doesn't make much sense, given the noseband design :(
     
    07-21-2012, 11:43 AM
  #7
Weanling
I'm not sure why there's confusion on the Quote. The kineton is set so that when the reins are pulled, the leather over the nose is engaged, and the bit does not press so hard on the bars of the mouth, since the leather of the nose only lets the bit move so far. Get it?
Anywho, I think you're better off just putting a leather curb strap over the top of the nose. Just as effective.
     
    07-21-2012, 05:41 PM
  #8
Yearling
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Originally Posted by rascalboy    
I'm not sure why there's confusion on the Quote. The kineton is set so that when the reins are pulled, the leather over the nose is engaged, and the bit does not press so hard on the bars of the mouth, since the leather of the nose only lets the bit move so far. Get it?
Anywho, I think you're better off just putting a leather curb strap over the top of the nose. Just as effective.
It's virtually impossible to invert a jointed snaffle just by pulling the noseband tighter as the quote says, for one thing. And because the bit is not fixed to the loops the noseband can't transfer all rein pressure to the nose. The loops slide towards the horse's face and squeeze against its cheeks.

Get it?
     
    07-23-2012, 08:18 PM
  #9
Green Broke
So would the action of the kineton noseband be similar to the Tongue Protection clips on a Micklem bridle?



From the Micklem website:
"If a rider gets left behind, or a horse and rider pull against each other, the clips will shift the extra pressure to the nose rather than on to the tongue or the very narrow bars of the mouth. This is a similar action to the Australian racing noseband. This will help the horse to accept the bit quietly and discourage them from putting the tongue over the bit. It is also very useful for novice riders who have not yet learnt to go with the motion of the horse."

I see that the noseband on the kineton is lower than the micklem; I'm assuming this would make the kineton harsher?
     
    07-24-2012, 08:49 AM
  #10
Yearling
It's a LOT stronger. Those little clips wouldn't take the amount of pressure a hard-pulling horse can exert - they may transfer a small amount of bit action to the nose but that's not the main object.

The Micklem bridle is one of those gadgety things no-one really needs, IMO. I know it was designed to be anatomically more comfortable but I'm not convinced it makes enough difference, except maybe over the poll. But that's just a personal opinion :)
     

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