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post #1 of 10 Old 11-21-2008, 04:50 PM Thread Starter
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Instead if Western?

I don't have any western tack, so can I maybe use something else instead..?

I have a dressage saddle, I guess its KINDA like a western saddle, I can sit deeply in it..
But that doesnt concern me as much!

What can I use instead of a western bit?
A western bit usually looks something like this, right?:

^Or something close to that.^

So what can I use instead of a bit like that?
I have the following types of bits:

^A thin one, a fat one, and a more normal thickness one.^




I guess none of the ones I have are similar to a western bit..?
Or do you think I could use one of them or should I just buy a western one?

Then, the bridle!
This would be a typical western bridle:


But I only have these:





I guess I can just take the nosebands off..?
But then I wouldn't have the curb strap..

I also have this things which I don't actually know what is, but it looks EXACTLY like a western bridle, only without the bit! It has the metal sides for the bit, but the very middle of the bit, so its just 2 curved metal sticks with nothing in between. Also, there where you would attach the reins, theres straps, to close like a noseband almost..! Oh, and it also has a noseband.. But instead of it just closing once under the chin, there's 2..! Its very wierd. I'll take a picture maybe..?


The pictures are not the exact ones I have, but they're that type!
I have many different bridles and bits in different sizes and colors.

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post #2 of 10 Old 11-21-2008, 06:00 PM
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This is what we prefer. I do prefer one with a copper mouthpiece.


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post #3 of 10 Old 11-21-2008, 06:08 PM
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The Western bit you show is only one kind of bit. Just as there are many different ones in English, there are in Western as well. If your horse goes well in the snaffles you show, then I would use those. I like the "D" ring in particular but that is a personal preference. The last bit you show is a gag bit and I don't like to use at all.

As far as the headstalls are concerned, you can remove the nose bands or leave them if you prefer. The figure 8 nose band would be the only one I wouldn't use.

Once you decide to make the big move over to Western, then you can add more "Western style" tack as you go along. The saddle is the big item, the rest you can add one piece at a time.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

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The Western bit you show is only one kind of bit. Just as there are many different ones in English, there are in Western as well. If your horse goes well in the snaffles you show, then I would use those. I like the "D" ring in particular but that is a personal preference. The last bit you show is a gag bit and I don't like to use at all.

As far as the headstalls are concerned, you can remove the nose bands or leave them if you prefer. The figure 8 nose band would be the only one I wouldn't use.

Once you decide to make the big move over to Western, then you can add more "Western style" tack as you go along. The saddle is the big item, the rest you can add one piece at a time.
I ride witht the "D" ring daily too!
I only use the gag bit when i'm in the forest or sometimes for jumping as he sometimes gets too wild and is unstopable.. -.-'

But I guess I'll just stick to the "D" ring then..!
I just read somewhere that the western bit which I showed helps to keep the horses head down more, or something..? that's why I was thinking maybe I should get something like that since my horse puts his head up on a loose rein.. But I'm not sure if that's true, so that's why i'm asking.. x)

So in the bridle, the curb strap isnt that important..?
I think I'll maybe stick to the nose band untill I can control him on a looser rein, since I have this feeling he'll feel too free without one and will only start speeding up instead of relaxing.. -.-

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The Western bit you showed, or the gag bit, or, for that matter, any bit with shanks needs a curb strap to be effective.

Keeping you horse's head down is more involved with training then in gimmics. With a snaffle you can still keep contact then slowly loosen up on the reins as he becomes more comfortable with the feeling. You really can't do that with a curb or gag.

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The Western bit you showed, or the gag bit, or, for that matter, any bit with shanks needs a curb strap to be effective.

Keeping you horse's head down is more involved with training then in gimmics. With a snaffle you can still keep contact then slowly loosen up on the reins as he becomes more comfortable with the feeling. You really can't do that with a curb or gag.
Ok, I don't know how western bits work, so it thought maybe it was totally different but if it pretty much works like a gag bit, then yes, I think I'll stick to the snaffle.. :)

Thanks for your help!

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Whoa! The Western bit does not necessarily act like a gag. It creates pressure on the jaw and in his mouth but the gag also puts pressure on the poll.

The Western bit you showed is meant to be used with a loose rein and only on a horse that neck reins. It is not for use with a direct rein as a snaffle can be.

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Whoa! The Western bit does not necessarily act like a gag. It creates pressure on the jaw and in his mouth but the gag also puts pressure on the poll.

The Western bit you showed is meant to be used with a loose rein and only on a horse that neck reins. It is not for use with a direct rein as a snaffle can be.
Ohh ok! Thanks for explaining! :)

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All bits with shanks puts preassure on the poll.

All bits with shanks but no curb strap pushes the mouthpiece up towards the horses ears when you pull the rein and puts preassure on the poll.

All bits with long shanks, a curbstrap and a mouthpiece that can't slide on the shanks, gives the horse signals to pull the nose in and forhead out when you pull the rein, and the nose and head down when you give the rein. It creates preassure on the jaw, poll and mouth.
Pessoas doesn't have any curb straps, and I don't think other gag bits does?

Bits with no shanks only puts preassure in the mouth.

To the thread starter:
Riding western isn't just changing tack. It's more about changing your riding. Correct me if I'm wrong, but yu don't start a new horse withloose reins in western, do you? You use some kind of snaffle first?

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Whoa! The Western bit does not necessarily act like a gag. It creates pressure on the jaw and in his mouth but the gag also puts pressure on the poll.


Always keep your head up, but be careful to keep your nose at a friendly level.


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All bits with shanks puts preassure on the poll.
True but it is really minimal. The standard shank bit is prohibited from effecting the poll to a great degree by the curb strap. The gag, on the other hand, exerts a good deal of poll pressure.

Yes the Western trained horse starts in a snaffle and contact then a loose rein working up to a shanked bit. My horses will still work with a snaffle and loose rein but I use a shanked bit for the finesse.

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