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    10-11-2009, 08:58 PM
  #1
Yearling
JDI - Myler question for you (bit help)

My trainer asked if I'd be comfortable trying a Myler bit on Carolina for a few lessons. I don't know what kind but this is the description she gave me: "A gag type Myler with tongue pressure."

To be honest, this is what Carolina is doing - she doesn't collect to engage her back or rear end. I can get her to collect at the halt and she will move forward but then she will shake her head and rear. She rides fine if I don't ask her to collect. My trainer wants to try a running martingale on her as well.

I'm currently riding her in a Korsteel happy mouth D-ring snaffle. My trainer suggested that she's trying to evade the bit. She has recently been floated and all her tack fits.

I'm not sure what to do. This is the 3rd trainer that wants to go a bit higher in bits with Carolina, even though now I'm riding her every 2nd or 3rd day.

She had me ride her with draw reins and after her first little explosion she rode like a dream but I can't imagine riding her in draw reins all the time.

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    10-11-2009, 09:15 PM
  #2
Trained
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she doesn't collect to engage her back or rear end. I can get her to collect at the halt and she will move forward but then she will shake her head and rear. She rides fine if I don't ask her to collect.
You need to get the back end to engage first, the back to lift up into your seat and your horse to track up before you get the "collection"

Sounds to me you and your coach are asking for the wrong kind of "Collection" and your horse is telling you - this isn't working for me in her own way.

Sounds to me, your coach is trying to use gadgets to get a quick fix.

You want to ride Seat into Legs into Hands. Not Hands into Legs into Seat.
     
    10-11-2009, 09:17 PM
  #3
Showing
Does she have a bit or you have to buy one (they are NOT cheap!)? If 1st option then why not? You can try for 5 mins and then just switch back if she won't like it. BTW, my horse didn't like Myler, so I quit after the 1st ride, it's not a cure for every horse obviously. :)

Have you tried loose rings on her? Have you tried double jointed bit? You may just try different ones. Just never know...
     
    10-11-2009, 09:18 PM
  #4
Showing
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Originally Posted by MIEventer    
Sounds to me, your coach is trying to use gadgets to get a quick fix.
Agree.
     
    10-11-2009, 09:20 PM
  #5
Started
In general any trainer that suggests the use of gadgets isn't much of a trainer.

EDIT: You took the words right out of my mouth you guys! Ha ha.
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    10-11-2009, 10:01 PM
  #6
Yearling
See those were my thoughts exactly. I shouldn't be adding things to get these results. I felt bad enough putting draw reins on her.

One thing I noticed while watching her give lessons, she's very handy which I thought was odd for a dressage instructor. She even had her students "sawing" at the mouth with the bits. It was terrible to watch.
     
    10-11-2009, 10:11 PM
  #7
Trained
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I'm currently riding her in a Korsteel happy mouth D-ring snaffle. My trainer suggested that she's trying to evade the bit. She has recently been floated and all her tack fits.
^ That is something that will only get worse by putting a stronger bit in. She needs to learn to accept it, not be forced to put up with it.

You seem to be on the right track :]
     
    10-11-2009, 10:23 PM
  #8
Yearling
See and that's something she has never done before, is try to evade the bit.

This is the bit I ride her in now Happy Mouth King Dee Jointed Mouth Bit Dee Ring Bits English HorseLoverZ.com and she normally has been behaving fairly good in it. The more I ride her the less issues with halting I have.

I don't get why these trainers keep wanting to go to stronger bits and such?
     
    10-11-2009, 10:34 PM
  #9
Showing
Hmmm... I have many questions for you!
1) What is the exact mouthpiece you're using? Is it a single or double joint?
2) Have you tried a double joint bit?
3) What is your horse's mouth conformation? Low palate? High palate? Thin tongue? Thick tongue?
My thoughts:
If your horse is evading the bit, it can be a bit issue or it could be a training issue. Some horses are never taught correctly to accept the bit, therefore it's a training issue. Some horses have the wrong bit in; I.e. They don't like tongue pressure and would really enjoy a tongue-relief bit, or they're in a single joint and they'd prefer a double joint.
One thing I would suggest NOT using is anything with curb or gag-type action on a horse that is prone to rear. Generally speaking, the extra pressure makes them go berserk and actually rear or worse.
Mmk, on to my speech:
Horses that don't work back to front cannot be collected. Horses that don't have hind-end impulsion cannot be collected. So when you say you can't engage the hind end or back, but you're able to collect her sometimes, I want to presume that she is just slowing her steps, possibly tucking her head, and letting you think that she's collected, when in truth, she is not.
Impulsion takes precedent. If you don't have impulsion, most other things aren't going to be correct. I want to say as well that perhaps you are riding too much with your hands, and not enough with your leg, so here are my suggestions:
Ready? Here goes:
Switch to a double joint bit if your horse isn't already in one and see how she reacts. Actually... you won't know really because I'm going to throw more stuff at you: IMPULSION. You need it. Talk to your trainer about it, because that's the basis of all your riding. Forget about her head being up in the air, you should be more concerned with her lack of impulsion. Get your trainer to teach you how to ride back to front, forget the head. The head is unimportant. The head is decoration. The headset (frame) will come when the horse learns to use itself properly. Ditch the draw reins; I'm sure that's just inhibiting her gait. If you need suggestions on how to achieve impulsion and working back to front, please ask away or PM me if you'd rather.
I'm sorry.. I have to run right now so I hope my post makes sense... I will re-visit it in the AM.
Clear as mud?
     
    10-11-2009, 10:59 PM
  #10
Trained
Have you tried her in a thinner bit? I tend to prefer thinner bits as the thicker ones just seem like a lot of unecessary bulk in the mouth.

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This is the bit I ride her in now Happy Mouth King Dee Jointed Mouth Bit Dee Ring Bits English HorseLoverZ.com and she normally has been behaving fairly good in it. The more I ride her the less issues with halting I have.

I don't get why these trainers keep wanting to go to stronger bits and such?
So, she has been going well and behaving, the only issue is that she is having trouble maintaining impulsion and collecting/rounding up?

Does she have enough muscle to maintain a soft, rounded back? Enough muscle to hold that hind end under her? If not I would try to strengthening excercises, such as long-trotting up hills, to build up her back and hind muscles. She may be evading the bit because maintaing impulsion is hard work for her.

Once she has the correct muscles, as others have said, you need to rider her back to front. You want forward, forward, forward! Nice, loose, swinging gaits, while not rushing. You can't get collection and roundness without forward.

*Ugh my brain just turned to mush. Will be back to elaborate later :]
     

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