Im pretty sure the Kieffer was a Lech Profi and the bates in not sure exactly, one of the dressage saddles.
The difference was amazing! The Kieffer sat you tall, straight and correct as soon as you sat in it, and the bates allowed you to sort of slump..I can't really describe it well. Sure bates are good saddles, and of course you can sit in them properly, but this Kieffer just made it so easy! When I eventually get a new saddle (which wont be for a while due to this trip ) Im getting a Kieffer.
Does anyone on the forum own/ride in one? What are the other models like?