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    02-10-2012, 04:39 PM
  #1
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Kimberwicks+leverage... [ported snaffles?]

Is there any way to remove the curb-like/leverage action on a Kimberwick?

I'm kind of in a quandary because I put Lacey in a single jointed snaffle for her most advanced kid because that girl is cantering regularly and I'm trying to introduce her to more finesse than a sidepull (what Lacey goes in for my beginning riders) can offer.

However, Lacey is obviously uncomfortable in the snaffle. She's responsive to it but she does root (I think that's what it's called? Reaching her head and neck down to the ground to avoid bit pressure?) in it, upon occasion. As soon as I put her in one of my curb bits (ported mouth), even with the reins just on the snaffle place, she's totally fine. But, since I'm trying to teach my riders the proper way, I don't want to use a curb bit with reins on the snaffle hole because that's not "right", you know?

The only bit I can think of with a slight port that is the most snaffle-like is a Kimberwick (a non-jointed one). However, Lacey really doesn't need the leverage part and I'm trying to teach finesse which, I feel, will be undermined by the action of the Kimberwick...
If I were to attach the reins to the ring that isn't the one on the bottom (the one upper one of the cheek piece) would it become more like a snaffle and less leverage-y?

Or does anyone have a suggestion for a better, non-jointed, non-mullen mouth (she has a thick tongue so she needs the tongue room), snaffle bit?
I really wish I could just get someone to cut the shanks off a Polo Pelham, that would be literally the perfect bit for her.




Side Note:
This thing with the bit isn't a training issue.
According to the vet, due to Lacey's gray horse melanomas that are in the corners of her mouth, she shouldn't be able to function well in any bit since she has zero feeling in the corners of her mouth and about an inch into her mouth on either side. So when I tried her in a curb bit and actually got a great response, it was basically a medical miracle.
I just tried her in a jointed bit to see since she's been doing so well in her non-jointed bits, but she's definitely much more comfortable with with a non-jointed bit.
     
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    02-10-2012, 04:54 PM
  #2
Ink
Weanling
I've seen a few ported D ring snaffles. You could try something like this Fes Hindged High Port D-ring in D-Rings at Schneider Saddlery but I think it still has hinges.

Also I believe if you attach the reins to the top hole instead of the bottom on the kimberwick you'll be working off of direct pull rather than leverage.
     
    02-10-2012, 04:54 PM
  #3
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I think there are some Myler bits that are ported snaffles , with no leverage at all. Using the barrel type joint, sometimes called a Billy Allen.

Having a mouthpiece like this:

     
    02-10-2012, 04:57 PM
  #4
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Good idea, Tiny! I have heard of Billy Allen snaffles! I will go look those up. Excellent. Myler definitely has what I want...but they want $100+ for it...I wish I had $100! Haha

And Ink, That bit looks great!! It looks like something she'd really like. I'm not sure if the port would be too high but maybe I can find one with a lower port. Thanks!
Also good to know about the Kimberwick, I really appreciate it!
     
    02-10-2012, 05:04 PM
  #5
Ink
Weanling
The have a lower ported one too here Fes D-ring Correction Bit no Hooks in D-Rings at Schneider Saddlery but it's hinged a bit differently.

I have a myler bit close to the one Tinylilly posted on my mare right now. She seems to like it a lot. They are really pricey though.
     
    02-11-2012, 11:53 PM
  #6
Yearling
What about a kk correction bit? ( Redirect Notice )
No joints, just like a kimberwicke mouthpiece... without the leverage :) Good luck either way.
     
    02-12-2012, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
I think there are some Myler bits that are ported snaffles , with no leverage at all. Using the barrel type joint, sometimes called a Billy Allen.

Having a mouthpiece like this:

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Originally Posted by Wallaby    
Good idea, Tiny! I have heard of Billy Allen snaffles! I will go look those up. Excellent. Myler definitely has what I want...but they want $100+ for it...I wish I had $100! Haha

And Ink, That bit looks great!! It looks like something she'd really like. I'm not sure if the port would be too high but maybe I can find one with a lower port. Thanks!
Also good to know about the Kimberwick, I really appreciate it!
How about something like this FES Bit Western Jointed Port/Roller Mouth in Mullen/Low Port at Schneider Saddlery ? Or are the shanks too long?
     
    02-12-2012, 02:08 PM
  #8
Super Moderator
Didn't the OP say she wanted a snaffle? No leverage?
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    02-12-2012, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
Didn't the OP say she wanted a snaffle? No leverage?
apparently I forgot how to read today lol

How about http://www.sstack.com/english_bits_d...ed-barrel-dee/
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    02-12-2012, 02:41 PM
  #10
Green Broke
How about a cambridge mouth piece?
     

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