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post #11 of 20 Old 02-09-2009, 11:39 PM
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The stirrup holder looks great! Very nifty money saving idea . I usually use bailing twine myself, LOL!!!

As for the curb on your English bridle... It is very confusing to the horse to direct rein with a curb bit, not to mention improper. Also, if you pulled back too tightly, you could end up over-correcting your horse, causing him to rear or throw his head. I would NOT ride with a tight rein if you do use your curb bit. Continue to neck rein on a loose rein and ride like you would when going western. The horse doesn't really care what bridle the bit is attached too .

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: True, a TRAINER can do whatever he/she wants with whatever bit they are comfortable using, but to advise an apparent amateur on a message board that it's okay to direct rein with a long shank curb bit is utterly irresponsible. Both horse and rider could possibly end up hurt.

If someone is on here asking if something is okay, then it's pretty safe to assume that they don't have the experience required to make that decision on their own. That means that this OP likely doesn't have the experience required to properly use a solid mouth curb bit with the level of direct contact used by most English riders.
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post #12 of 20 Old 02-10-2009, 06:48 AM
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JDI, good or bad hands have nothing to do with the physics of the bit/headstall. I agree with many of your posts, just not this one - sorry.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

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post #13 of 20 Old 02-12-2009, 01:54 AM
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I am going to jump on the bandwagon and agree that you should not direct rein with a shank bit.

JDI - I find it a little contradictory that you don't even like a regular snaffle, but you would suggest it is OK to direct rein with a shank bit
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post #14 of 20 Old 02-12-2009, 11:05 AM
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Alright, guys, drop it.

I should have said: If you have GOOD hands, then riding in a shank bit WILL NOT HURT the horse, but you should get a snaffle as soon as possible.
That is the point I was trying to get across. I never said it was a good idea to ride direct-rein in a curb bit forever. The OP was wondering if it would hurt her horse - it won't, as long as she has good hands.

It's common sense, or at least I thought, that when introducing something that is a new sensation to the horse, to take it slow, and not just overload all at once. Whether it be taking up direct rein on ANY bit, switching to a shank for the first time, introducing side/draw reins, etc.

It was NOT my intention for the OP to think it was okay to start direct-reining on a shank bit without any transition period.

HOWEVER - to take up light contact and direct-rein WILL NOT hurt the horse, if you do it right and if you have good hands.
^That is what I thought the OP was asking.

Regarding the regular snaffles - I NEVER said I would prefer to direct-rein on a shank bit than a snaffle. I SUGGESTED to the OP that when she goes to buy a suitable bit, to look at double-jointed bits.
There were two SEPARATE conversations going on there.

Thank you, guys, for pounding this to death. I'm a bad person. Had one "bad" opinion. Let it go. I don't need 25 people responding with "OMG! Why would you say that? Bad!!! Shhhaaaaammmmeee!!!"

... besides, do any of you direct-rein with a mullen-mouth kimberwicke or pelham? It's not as big of a shank, but it's the same idea.

Please feel free to PM me if you would like to argue this point more, I would be happy to. Otherwise, for the love of Pete, let it die.


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post #15 of 20 Old 02-12-2009, 11:24 AM
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Please remember that EVERY post made here is just the poster's OPINION, it's OK to disagree and just let it be that.

I have direct reined with a horse that wasn't listening (being stubborn and wouldn't neck rein though the horse knew how) in a Tom Thumb, the horse didn't fall over dead and neither did I. (but then I just turned the horse around and began neck reining again)

It's not ideal by any means and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but if all you have is the curb, then you'll need to have a neck reining horse, if the horse won't neck rein, using a curb won't work.

I think that explanation was missed by all of us. Hopefully the OP already had that knowledge and if she didn't, there it is.

Let's not beat each other up over this one detail... all friends now???

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post #16 of 20 Old 02-12-2009, 11:27 AM
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Yes Mom ..... I know, no peanut butter sandwiches tonight again.

Sorry Miss JDI (said in a sing song voice)

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

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post #17 of 20 Old 02-12-2009, 11:35 AM
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I'm sorry too.

Got a heap of stress on my plate, I should really count to 10 before posting.


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post #18 of 20 Old 02-12-2009, 11:47 AM Thread Starter
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Ladies calm down, I ride the fat appy in a curb all the time any ways and I do neck rein that is just something I have to get better at, I am kinda nervous about putting Toby in a snaffle because he would run with that in his mouth well not run he would just not listen as well as he does with a curb. But thanks guys and try not to fight any more it gives me a head ache and makes me not want to post on here any more. That is why I left horsechannel because they were always fighting. But thanks again.

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post #19 of 20 Old 02-12-2009, 12:43 PM
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Appy, one thing you have already found is that horse owners, like many others, are very passionate about their interest. One thing you will find on our forum is that our moderators (me included) try very hard not to let things get out of hand. As what happened with this thread, everyone came to their senses and ended as friends.

Personally I have been involved with horses and their forums for many many years and find this place to be the most comfortable place to discuss them and get some great advise.

Hope to see many more post by you in the future!

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

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post #20 of 20 Old 02-13-2009, 11:37 AM Thread Starter
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I will not leave I will still be on here thanks for the advice

12 days until Twiztid ( i get to see my Jamie) then two months until graduation.
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