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  • Half vs full cheek snaffle bits/which is better for a pony?
  • Full cheek v egg butt snaffle

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    08-31-2011, 01:38 PM
Not to highjack but does this rule apply for changing from an eggbutt toa full cheek? I am switching Gem and have to order it online and don't want to get it wrong. She wears a 5" eggbutt currently.
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    08-31-2011, 04:05 PM
Livestoride, D-ring = eggbutt = full cheek on this rule (because they are solid on corners). Loose rings one is the only one different just because those rings move.

Crimsonsky, I've seen that one in Dover (different brand though). I remember my paint used to lock on bit, the reason I went to loose rings with her. So if the eggbutt attempt fails today I may consider it.
    08-31-2011, 04:35 PM
I've always heard, and bought 1/4 inch bigger for loose rings as well.
    08-31-2011, 07:36 PM
So I tried 5 1/4 eggbutt today. Definitely too big for her. However 5 loose rings look too small. I think I going to go to Dover and get 5 eggbutt to see how it fits.

Thanks, everyone, for the help!
    09-01-2011, 09:14 AM
KittenVal - thanks for the help! I hate having to return things in the mail and then wait for the new one to arrive.
    09-01-2011, 10:30 AM
Originally Posted by livestoride    
KittenVal - thanks for the help! I hate having to return things in the mail and then wait for the new one to arrive.
Just want to add that for some horses (not all) they have a preference in type of rings used. My qh refused to ride with loose rings: she's annoyed very easily and them moving I assume wasn't something she liked. D-rings was OK with her, and eggbutt is her favorite (I do like eggbutt the most too - it's just so awesomely smooth :) ). My paint on other hand seems to have fun with those rings moving. I rode her in eggbutt yesterday and she was somewhat "locking" on bit again. Not bad yet, but I'm sure she'll progress. So I think I going to get a bit similar to what crimsonsky posted.
    09-01-2011, 12:07 PM
True that kitten val! I know my gelding prefers a loose ring whereas a few other horses i've had needed something with less "static" in the lines - so eggbutt or d-ring.
    09-01-2011, 11:57 PM
My horse is like that too, very particular about the cheek pieces. I've had him in a kimblewick (off the slots, so it was basically a dee ring snaffle with a little more stability) and he HATED it. Tried loose ring, full cheek, all sorts of different mouthpieces from rubber through mullen to single jointed, double jointed with a lozenge, and he is now in an eggbutt french link. And he LOVES it. Better even than the eggbutt with a lozenge that came with him.

And yet, I had a horse that couldn't stand eggbutt... what worked best for HIM was loose ring double jointed with a lozenge, and we tried ALL the bits we tried with Monty on that particular horse, minus the french link because it was sold to me as being "the next step" from the lozenge.

We had a pony that we had in a single jointed loose ring snaffle and that worked pretty well, but after I had the success with my old Standie in a double jointed snaffle, I bought one for the pony and tried him in it... he went SO much better, responded to the bit more promptly.

I find that the double jointed mouthpiece works well for more different horses than the other kinds of mouthpiece, but as for cheekpieces, it's actually amazing. I know someone who has brilliant hands and trains her horses very well, but her arab, she can't jump in anything other than a happy mouth mullen pelham. On the flat he's in a very soft bit, can't remember what. Monty is somewhat similar, very responsive and light on the flat but gets strong while jumping - in both cases it's sheer excitement. Although in my case I'm sticking with the snaffle, simply because Monty can't cope with anything stronger than a snaffle.
    09-02-2011, 08:16 AM
Funny enough I was told by several trainers that horse liking/not liking different rings is total BS. NOT true. I tried eggbutt, D-rings, and loose rings all with same mouthpiece, and I could tell right the moment I get on horse it rides differently depending on rings.
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    09-03-2011, 08:19 AM
As I said, Monty is VERY particular. He'll put up with loose rings, but he hates dee rings, anything with poll pressure, anything with curb pressure... he doesn't like full cheeks, but I think that's more of an "I KNOW what I'm doing, mum!" protest than anything else. He doesn't need the extra help to turn and he doesn't like being treated like he does.

And I'd rather him be HAPPY in a bit than just putting up with it. I'd rather he be actively seeking it, chewing a little, and salivating just enough to have foam on his lips. His mouth is dry in the eggbutt with a lozenge, but he seems to really like the french link. He's so much softer and more responsive to it, and it always has bubbles on it when I take it out of his mouth.

A trainer who thinks it's BS for a horse to prefer certain cheek pieces to others really needs to re-assess their methods... Different cheek pieces work for different horses, and different cheek pieces all have different actions on the mouth.

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