Major Girth/Cinch problem, plz help!!

I Just got my treeless saddle, and the seller said that it could be used w/ a western cinch if I wanted to. I Got it and it has to be used with an english girth! My problem is that I need something contoured, like a roping cinch so it won't slip and a D ring so that it can be used with a breast collar. The girth straps start really low, at the lowest point and I don't know if an English to western converter is even locical........

Please help, here is a sight for one that is the exact same.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=180244365396

I found something that I would like.......

http://www.mossrockendurance.com/vie...47&prod_ID=354

The only down side is it costs $90!! If anyone can find me one of these for cheaper I will love you forever!!

I have another question..... how bad would it be if I just doubled the english leathers and just used a western cinch?

There are converters you can buy, for english to western and vice versa, like this: http://www.eaglerivertack.com/store/...d7bc1be0570689

I don't have time to research them right now, you might be able to find a cheaper one. Mohairs like the one you posted do seem to be cheaper in the western style though...maybe you could save a bit.

I will say if you think $90 is expensive...I'll send you the bill for my next dressage girth!

I don't think that converters would work, the billets are REALLY far down and then i'd have to add tie-strap and off billet as well.... so I don't think there would be much room for the cinch......

I also need help on what size of cinch I would need because the girth straps start so low....... please any endurance treeless people please help!!

How about these: http://www.downunderweb.com/store/Ta...sieGirths.html or this one: http://www.horsesupplyandmore.com/product/KA-GIR-361

Those look really good, but I need to know what sizes would work semi-good.... I might have to go measure my mule

Mmm...I see your point. Well, I did find cheaper mohairs with english buckles, but no d-ring. I also found one that was english buckles with a d-ring, but it wasn't contoured and it was only 8 dollars less. If you move to fleece or leather, the prices start to come down. Also, I wouldn't worry about the position of the billets being so low, the girth should fit something like this:





Not all treeless saddle flaps are as long as yours, but its not unusual.

what size (english or western) would you reccomend for a small girthed mule?

Right now I'm open to pretty much anything, as long as it comes in smaller sizes like (20-26") contoured is preffered and so is mohair and w/ a D ring, but a D ring isn't needed because I found this

http://store.runningbear.com/catalog...at=13&scat=136