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post #11 of 25 Old 06-07-2009, 02:56 PM
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^ totally agree, Blue used a SM for a few years, and then we took it off. I would much rather have her head up and not round than forcing her down into a "frame"! It's just like someone on here said that I should put tight side reins on Blue to get her to bend around a circle!

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post #12 of 25 Old 06-08-2009, 02:33 AM
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Hi everyone

A running martingale is an artificial aid and should only be used as a stopgap to help correct bad behavior . Once the behavior that required the martingale in the first place has passed the martingale should be removed.

MIEventer and eventerdrew have it absolutly correct and should be listened to .
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post #13 of 25 Old 06-09-2009, 08:36 PM Thread Starter
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It "makes" their head go down because of pain, not because they want to be there.
As soon as you take if off, I guarantee you she will not stay there on her own.
Well she does go round now because she just had been on a long rein and she's NOT in pain...it does the same as having them go round...sorry I even asked jeez

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I agree with what has been said above. The only reason I ocassionally put a RM on is when my horse starts to fling her head up dangerously high (it has hit me in the face several times). I use it once or twice, then I put it away. Just a little memory refresher for her. But NOT as a training aid or to force her to put her head round.
EXACTLY what I used it for! Omg no one is reading thoroughly!!!

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using a running martingale on her horse to lower her head and make her go round,
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I used it once to refresh her memory of how to go round (Sounds stupid but I swear she sorta forgot!)
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i would like to get more muscle in her neck.

How were we supposed to read that?
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Well she does go round now because she just had been on a long rein and she's NOT in pain...it does the same as having them go round...sorry I even asked jeez
No, forcing the head down does not make them round.

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Well she does go round now because she just had been on a long rein and she's NOT in pain...it does the same as having them go round...sorry I even asked jeez
But IT does not do the same thing as having them go round... If you used a running as a way to prevent the horse's head from going WAY up, while you were teaching her proper way of going from behind, that's one thing. But if you were using it to force her head down, then she is NOT truly round. True roundness or collection does NOT come from the head/neck position. It comes from the rear, through the back, through the shoulders, over the neck, and then, finally, down through the bit. The horse has to learn to push from behind and lift her back first, THEN she will be able to lower and round the neck & head while maintaining roundness in her back and drive from behind.
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^True, You can't force a horse to become round,

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You CAN force a horse to become round - I could name a couple of devices that will achieve exactly that ( and a running martingale is not one of them )

The main argument is that a horse , if properly trained , will become round all by itself. If a horse is forced into an outline then often this will create an imbalance due to the horses muscle structure not being ready for it.

You also quoted earlier that your horse wore a SM for years , and that you took it off as you would rather have your horses head up rather than forcing it down, did you do no training in those years to correct your horses head carriage?
. My own horse wore a RM for about six weeks and during that time I trained her properly , and then took the RM off as it was no longer needed
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That's right Nutty Saddler - it takes a long time of correct riding to properly achieve true collection.

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