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        01-27-2010, 07:53 PM
    Green Broke
    Its not. Lol

    I promised id never try and fix something with equitment so im already iffy about it. It was just suggested to me today and I was thinking about it.
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        01-27-2010, 07:53 PM
    And a few people have said a running.

    A standing martingale is fixed - It would need to be adjusted beyond any usefullness to allow the horse full use of it's head and neck when jumping (in case of over-extension, etc.). It is also a solid block - the horse pretty much hits a brick wall when it reaches the end of the slack. Because of this, it is possible for horses to brace against them.

    A running martingale actions on the reins, instead of a noseband. Any pressure can be immediatly released by loosening the reins. Because you crest/auto release when you jump, there is no possibility of the running martingale effecting the horse at all when actually jumping.
        01-27-2010, 07:53 PM
    Green Broke
    Iheartphoebe- when you get to a certain height, the standing martingale restricts the range of motion that a horse has with their head. Range of motion is vital for jumping. I've jumped a horse that had a standing martingale on...they couldn't move their head up, only down, which encourages them to be on the forehand and not use themselves correctly. Good for hunters, not for jumpers or eventing. You will not find anyone but hunters using the standing martingale for that reason.
        01-27-2010, 07:55 PM
    ^ because we don't have hunters in AUS, they are illegal on any jumps course. Our version of hunters (Equitation) doesn't allow ANY martingales.
        01-27-2010, 07:57 PM
    Green Broke
    Okay if im to use one ill definitely get a running martingale. TY for explaining that!

    Lol see I want to do hunters lol!
        01-27-2010, 07:57 PM
    Green Broke
    ^sounds like AUS is ahead of the game in that department. I wish they wouldn't put standing martingales on :/
        01-27-2010, 07:59 PM
    I was appalled when I first joined here and saw people jumping in standing martingales. Really the only place you see them here is on rodeo horses doing roping/barrels and such, and on some MG horses because they don't interfere with the reins.

    I would never, ever jump a horse in a standing martingale. *Shudders*

    And no worries!
        01-27-2010, 08:07 PM
    I am with you Wild_Spot, I dispise Standing Martingales.

    Gadgets are made by man, for man. NO martingale will teach your horse anything, they just mute the underlying issue - and in my opinion, you and your horse need to go back to the basics and work on the Training Scale to correct both of your issues.

    By the sounds of it, you are a rider who rides hands first - and dressage is doing to teach you to activate your seat and your core, to work towards a horse that works from the back end first, to the front.

    I am going to take a wild stab in the dark, and guess that your horse is moving on her forehand, not using her back end, dropping her back and evading you - the rider. But a horse only reflects their rider.

    Dressage is going to teach you to be more effective of a rider, to aid your horse to obtain the fundamentals to become a well balanced, respond to your aids, soft, engaged, rounded mount that you do not have right now.

    The Training Scale.

    A martingale, is going to cover the issues that is now rearing it's ugly head - and when you remove it, you are going to have the same horse, you have now.
        01-27-2010, 08:10 PM
    Green Broke
    This is the first time she's ever done this head raising thing its new. Usually she would be lazy after a jump lmao. Now she's having fun with it and getting over excited. But yes we are doing a lot more flat work then we have in the past.

    And No I ride seat, legs, hands. Sometimes I go hands first out of habit but I've fixed that and still working on it. Chance is also learning to work more off my leg now.

    And she actually uses her back now. She wasnt for the longest time because I was letting her slack off and be lazy. But she's using it fairly well now and getting off her front a bit. And I know this because the saddle hasnt been slipping as much today and it does when she's on teh forehand.
        01-27-2010, 08:11 PM
    I would love to see video footage if you have any :)

    It would make it alot easier to see what could be going on.

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