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post #11 of 22 Old 05-31-2012, 06:37 PM
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No horse should be jumped in any sort of class without one thats corectly fitted.
Why use an artificial aid if the horse goes fine without? That's like saying you must always ride in spurs.

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post #12 of 22 Old 06-01-2012, 04:37 AM
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My trainer always says that a running martingale is one of those things, that when adjusted correctly, never come into play, but when you need it, then you REALLY need it, and you'll be glad you have it.

I only use mine for jumping, no other time.
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Why use an artificial aid if the horse goes fine without? That's like saying you must always ride in spurs.

Some horses don't need 'em

I think she meant that nobody should jump in a running martingale incorectly fitted ;) If she is in fact saying what you think she is saying, I agree. But I think she just misworded just a bit :) Correct me if I'm wrong!

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??? as the others have said a martingale should not effect the headset in any way shape or form - so dont know why you would use one to do so? correctly fitted when there head is where you want it - there should be slack... I cant tell how yours is fitted in the pic as its too small and dark

standings will stop them holding there headd up high - but if you are using it to hold the head down/headset - then it isnt fitted right (Either style)

by the way no issues with there use - when used for the right thing - I dont use one on either of my horses but neither need one
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Why use an artificial aid if the horse goes fine without? That's like saying you must always ride in spurs.

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I would say that for the most time you don't need one but there will always be that one when you'll be glad that you did and for that, as long as its correctly fitted to not interfere with the horses natural action its worth using if you are jumping/eventing/hunting when the unexpected can happen so fast.
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I think she meant that nobody should jump in a running martingale incorectly fitted ;) If she is in fact saying what you think she is saying, I agree. But I think she just misworded just a bit :) Correct me if I'm wrong!
You should absolutely not use one thats wrongly fitted or as a quick fix training aid but as a safety net when competing they can be a real situation saver
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^^ how can it help you from catching the horse is the mouth ??
When I say 'snag' its in the context of the mouth being torn. This can happen if for some reason the riders hands get forced too high upwards and instead of the bit acting on the bars (gums) it will be forced against the corners of the mouth which can tear surprisingly easily. This is also how some horse literally get the 'bit between their teeth' and allows them to bolt.
If all horses were properly trained to go forwards between the hand and leg then there would be no need for most gadgets but that still wouldn't stop the unforseen happening and a well fitted martingale is not going to interfere with the horses natural outline or restrict safe movement of the head when its needed.
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I, like many other people, have no problems with a correctly fitted martingale on a horse that actually needs one.

My issue is with people who slap it on every horse they get on 'just because'. We a pony at my barn currently who is trained for A rated hunter shows, but quiet enough that we teach beginners to canter off the lunge on her all the time. When she came to us her owner was riding her in a martingale every time she got on, even if it was just a walk around the field. This is a pony that will happily trot or canter around with her nose below her withers if allowed.

We do have a horse that is a chronic head flipper who uses a martingale, and a horse who flips his head when he gets really stressed out so we use one when jumping him, but otherwise we try to avoid them at my barn.
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I am torn about the martingale issue as well. I always was under the impression "if your horse needs a martingale what he really needs is a trainer." That being said, I leased an OTTB that DID need training but that was up to his owner. The martingale was a quick fix. The OTTB would throw his head in the air and plow forward any time I asked for an upward transition. Classic untrained OTTB. The martingale prevented him from getting into that state of mind and made him think about what he was doing. But it was a band aide. Just my experience.
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i hate hate hate standing martingales, as i feel (like tie downs) all they do is force the horse to not lift their head above a certain height, and unless the horse has a rearing problem you are working to correct and it is on for safety reasons, it's not doing anything right. all it does is give them something to brace on, lean on, and so on.

that said - i do use a tie down on my trail horse bc he HATES bugs and has a habit (even when bug sprayed, fly mask, etc. tried it all) of tossing his head and getting the reins both on one side of his neck. i really think he does it for fun and makes a game of it haha. anyway the tie down is loose enough it doesn't affect him at all other than when he tosses his head - he doesn't even try to toss his head with the tie on.

as for running martingales, i use them when hunting aggressively, esp on my hot hot hot OTTB who can get very strong. 99% of the time he doesn't need it, but when he throws his head up it's nice to have it there. bc the running martingale doesn't interfere with the bit or headset at all other than when he throws his head high if excitement, it's there just for safety and not at all for training.

i disagree with using any tie down or martingale (standing or running) for training purposes. i have used with success a german martingale that when adjusted properly has less impact than draw reins and more give than side reins to help rehabilitate a horse that was rebuilding topline. in that case, the german martingale was not used EVERY ride (just like draws should not be used every ride) and was not used to set the head or force the position of the horse, but rather to encourage the head down and stretch through back and hind. because they were set relatively loose, they were encouraging, not restricting - there IS a very big difference.

hope that helps!
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