Not trying to hijack the thread or anything but here is a good example. This filly had 11 rides on her at the time of the video, she had the basic idea of neck reining down and was fairly consistent with it so I transitioned her to the curb like I do with all my horses. The vid is not real easy to see because I had to leave the camera sitting on a post since I was by myself but the reins remain loose the entire time. There was only a couple of times that I contacted the bit at all and that was when she was either confused about where the pressure was or wasn't wanting to listen. After I corrected her, she went back to being responsive on a loose rein. Even on the stops, I didn't contact the bit, just picked up the slack from the reins. BTW, don't mind her head shaking, it isn't because of the bit. It was in the summer and it was humid and the flies were out something awful. They were eating us both alive.