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post #1 of 18 Old 02-26-2013, 03:28 PM Thread Starter
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Need help finding a pad for OTTB with high narrow withers

This OTTB has extremely high narrow withers. I use a wintec saddle and have put it down to the narrowest gullet I can and the saddle still gets way to close to his withers for my liking and I'm sure his, too. My question is, what is the best pad I can use to build up some width in his withers and lift the saddle off of them? I don't want it to offset the balance of the rest of the saddle, because I think the rest of the saddle fits him pretty well. Here are some pics with and without the saddle.

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post #2 of 18 Old 02-26-2013, 10:15 PM
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That actually looks like it sits on him fine except for that part at the very top where the saddle makes contact. If you want to add some bulk to his withers, something that you can put shims in would work the best. I have the thinline trifecta pad, but there are cheaper sheepskin ones you can also shim.

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Wintec Comfort Saddle Pad With Lift - Horse.com

I just ordered this....hopefully it will help
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It's had to tell from the pics (the angle, the horse not being square etc) but to me, it looks like the balance of the saddle is a bit off. Do you find youself pushed back into more of a chair seat when riding in it?

Your horse's wither doesn't look super high and narrow, it just looks like a normal tb wither. You may not get the same clearance over the wither that you would with a horse with a smaller wither. I have 2 fingers clearance over my TB's wither in my saddle. I questioned my saddle fitter and she said that with TB's its a normal problem.

You really need to be careful with gullet sizes though. You want to make sure it fits here, and doesn't dig into the Trapezius, Lattissimuss Dorsi and Serratus Ventralis, not just over the wither.
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If it's too tight behind the Scapula then a few problems can arise...
Potential Muscle Damage, Myofascial Trigger Points, Reduced range of movement to the shoulder & full extension of the foreleg will be impeeded, horse may become "girthy" or "cold backed" and it could also create referred pain down the girth line, into the lower part of the neck, back and hind quarters. I am an Equine Bowen Therapist and see a lot of these issues when working with horses, some cause by other things but mostly caused by saddle fit.

Putting a pad on can also increase the pressure... Like putting on 2 pairs of thick socks while wearing shoes that are a size too small. There is less space between the hard metal of the gullet and the horses soft tissue due to the extra padding.

I would get a saddle fitter out to have a look at it... As I said before, from the angle of the pic, the balance of the saddle looks out and also the fitter will be able to advise on gullet size and padding for the saddle :)
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It's had to tell from the pics (the angle, the horse not being square etc) but to me, it looks like the balance of the saddle is a bit off. Do you find youself pushed back into more of a chair seat when riding in it?

Your horse's wither doesn't look super high and narrow, it just looks like a normal tb wither. You may not get the same clearance over the wither that you would with a horse with a smaller wither. I have 2 fingers clearance over my TB's wither in my saddle. I questioned my saddle fitter and she said that with TB's its a normal problem.

You really need to be careful with gullet sizes though. You want to make sure it fits here, and doesn't dig into the Trapezius, Lattissimuss Dorsi and Serratus Ventralis, not just over the wither.
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If it's too tight behind the Scapula then a few problems can arise...
Potential Muscle Damage, Myofascial Trigger Points, Reduced range of movement to the shoulder & full extension of the foreleg will be impeeded, horse may become "girthy" or "cold backed" and it could also create referred pain down the girth line, into the lower part of the neck, back and hind quarters. I am an Equine Bowen Therapist and see a lot of these issues when working with horses, some cause by other things but mostly caused by saddle fit.

Putting a pad on can also increase the pressure... Like putting on 2 pairs of thick socks while wearing shoes that are a size too small. There is less space between the hard metal of the gullet and the horses soft tissue due to the extra padding.

I would get a saddle fitter out to have a look at it... As I said before, from the angle of the pic, the balance of the saddle looks out and also the fitter will be able to advise on gullet size and padding for the saddle :)
I agree with this, I was letting someone ride my mare and she was using a saddle that was very tight in the same area and it caused all sorts of issues for my mare.
If you put a wider gullet in the saddle and then use a pad like below that might work better.


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Wintec Comfort Saddle Pad With Lift - Horse.com

I just ordered this....hopefully it will help
I have the same pad, I'm actually selling it since I got a new saddle and no longer need it, so if you are interested OP let me know, I'm asking $25+ shipping, but I'm open to offers.
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It's had to tell from the pics (the angle, the horse not being square etc) but to me, it looks like the balance of the saddle is a bit off. Do you find youself pushed back into more of a chair seat when riding in it?

Your horse's wither doesn't look super high and narrow, it just looks like a normal tb wither. You may not get the same clearance over the wither that you would with a horse with a smaller wither. I have 2 fingers clearance over my TB's wither in my saddle. I questioned my saddle fitter and she said that with TB's its a normal problem.

You really need to be careful with gullet sizes though. You want to make sure it fits here, and doesn't dig into the Trapezius, Lattissimuss Dorsi and Serratus Ventralis, not just over the wither.
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If it's too tight behind the Scapula then a few problems can arise...
Potential Muscle Damage, Myofascial Trigger Points, Reduced range of movement to the shoulder & full extension of the foreleg will be impeeded, horse may become "girthy" or "cold backed" and it could also create referred pain down the girth line, into the lower part of the neck, back and hind quarters. I am an Equine Bowen Therapist and see a lot of these issues when working with horses, some cause by other things but mostly caused by saddle fit.

Putting a pad on can also increase the pressure... Like putting on 2 pairs of thick socks while wearing shoes that are a size too small. There is less space between the hard metal of the gullet and the horses soft tissue due to the extra padding.

I would get a saddle fitter out to have a look at it... As I said before, from the angle of the pic, the balance of the saddle looks out and also the fitter will be able to advise on gullet size and padding for the saddle :)
I was planning on going back to a wider gullet to use with the pad. I'm hoping it will even out. I'm not too experienced with saddle fitting so I'm not sure what you mean about the balance being off. What is off about it? I don't know of any saddle fitters in this area that's why I came here for help
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I agree with this, I was letting someone ride my mare and she was using a saddle that was very tight in the same area and it caused all sorts of issues for my mare.
If you put a wider gullet in the saddle and then use a pad like below that might work better.



I have the same pad, I'm actually selling it since I got a new saddle and no longer need it, so if you are interested OP let me know, I'm asking $25+ shipping, but I'm open to offers.
Rachel I wish I had known that before I bought mine!
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I was planning on going back to a wider gullet to use with the pad. I'm hoping it will even out. I'm not too experienced with saddle fitting so I'm not sure what you mean about the balance being off. What is off about it? I don't know of any saddle fitters in this area that's why I came here for help
When I say off, I mean that the centre of balance of the seat looks like its a bit towards the cantle, rather than 1/2 way between the pommel and the cantle. It's why I asked if the saddle tends to tip you back into a chair like seat, instead of allowing you to sit forward in the saddle :) I am on my phone at the moment, but later I can post a picture of what I mean if you like??
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So a front lift pad would probably make that worse... :( I don't know what to do with this guy!
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I would cut the bottom off a metal coat hanger and use it to measure your horse over the withers where the gullet would sit. I find that it is a more accurate way of finding the correct size gullet. Take that and measure your current gullet... You may find it is too small and will need a larger one. The coat hanger will help you find the correct size one. That would be the easiest fix.

Here is what I was talking about earlier... Sorry, I have been at a competition all weekend :)

In your saddle the centre of balance is a bit far back...
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Here is my TB Bo (excuse the spots on him, he walked through the sprinklers :) ) He has quite a big wither.

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Here is Bo's saddle on him (I know it's a dressage saddle, but if you look at where the centre of balance is, it is 1/2 way between the pommel and the cantle, not sitting closer to one than the other
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Here is my friend's saddle for her 14.1hh pony...
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The pommel is higher than the cantle, the center of balance is tipped back. It's too tight over the withers.
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