No worries Puck, i actually really appreciate pointers in that sort of stuff. That was a few years ago, i was using a horribly shaped and fitted wither pad, but my saddle always slips back, so i had it a bit forward while getting ready. But i think most of the problem you're referring to is a lack of stuffing back there, to support it and bring it up. Like i mentioned, it's a very old saddle, but other than stuffing problems, in great condition. Anyone know a price range as how much it would cost to get it restuffed?