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    12-29-2012, 12:10 AM
New bit for Christmas.

So I got a new bit for Christmas from my folks. It looks great, I just hope my horse will like it. I'm planning on using the two rein with it for awhile to kinda work on the vaquero style of work.

Les Vogt Performance Programs LLC

I know it isn't a spade but I'm sooooo not ready for that.
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    12-30-2012, 12:09 AM
I love Les Vogt equipment! This mouthpiece works really nice beginning a two-rein. I like moving from a frog mouthpiece to a mona Lisa in the two rein system. Good luck!! I love it when people carry on vaquero traditions and not all this natural horsemanship hanky-panky crap! :)
    12-30-2012, 02:41 PM
I'm trying. Being in NC doesn't lend itself you having a lot of local mentors. It's going to be a lot of trial and error I'm afraid. I think I may have the basics though. We'll see in a few years if my horse tells the story.
    12-30-2012, 03:02 PM
You direct rein with it? I mean plow rein? That seems odd to me. I would not think to direct rein in a curb bit with a solid mouthpiece (no breaks).
    12-30-2012, 03:38 PM
No direct reining with this bit. When I say two rein I mean the vaquero style. Not the english style with the Pelham bit. My horse is already working with a hackamore so basically I'll put a pencil bosal( bosalito/bosalita) on and then the bit. First he will just learn to carry the bit which wont take long at all. Then I will start on the bit very light and reinforce with the bosal. Over time he will start working off the bit more and more and the bosalito will be used less and less. Eventually he'll just go "straight up" which means no more two rein. This is traditionally done with a spade bit but I'm not there yet. I may never be there so this is the way I'm going now. I hope that clears up the confusion.

These are just a couple pics to show what it looks like and kinda how it works.
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    12-30-2012, 03:40 PM
UHHHHH, Maybe someone that knows alot more about computers than me can fix the pics . They came out alittle big especially that palimino. SORRY
    12-30-2012, 03:45 PM
Yeah, those pictures are huge.

Anyway, that does clear things up. That form of training is very, very old.

If you are interested, you might read about it, and a ton more, from the book ,

"Conquerors", by Deb Bennet. She tells EVERY detail about the history of riding and what influenced the styles of riding that came to the New World.
    12-30-2012, 03:46 PM
Actually I think they're a perfect size! One question here, what action does that bit have? And how would it compare to a cathedral bit? (my guy shows in a cathedral and I ride him in it about once a month) I love the vaquero style!
    12-30-2012, 04:05 PM
I got mine in the lowest leverage they have. It's a 3 to 1 ratio. They have a 3.5-1 and a 4-1. It has loose cheeks to give some presignal. I'm hoping to use it as a signal bit as much as possible. I know that's not how its made but if I can work on the signal maybe I can avoid the leverage side of it.You could even get it looser if you wanted to remove the slobber bar and add slobber chains instead. I may do that. Not sure yet. I've never ridden in a cathedral bit so I really can't compare sorry. I went with this mouth peice because it looked like a nice middle of the road bit.

My horse has had it on once already just to see how it fit and as soon as that thing went in his mouth he was playing with that cricket or roller so it may be good.
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    12-30-2012, 05:14 PM
Very nice!

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