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        12-29-2013, 04:23 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    I was wondering about that, but again my knowledge of tack is limited. The channel tapers off in the back; it's wider in the front and middle than it is at the back. I've noticed this with other saddles of the same model.
         
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        12-30-2013, 08:17 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    Was curious if anyone else had some advice to offer on new photos!
         
        12-30-2013, 09:34 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
    What are you planning on doing for riding, Houston? I know every horse should have the perfect fit in a saddle but, alas, it is not always possible at least in the short term. The saddle, on its own, is not a bad looking one. I'm thinking if you were doing light riding (flat work; no jumping; not out for excessively long periods of time) you could make the saddle work for you while you look around for a better fit. If at some point you want to up your game and get into competitive things, at that point you probably would have to get serious about another saddle to fit the purpose.
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        12-30-2013, 09:48 PM
      #14
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chevaux    
    What are you planning on doing for riding, Houston? I know every horse should have the perfect fit in a saddle but, alas, it is not always possible at least in the short term. The saddle, on its own, is not a bad looking one. I'm thinking if you were doing light riding (flat work; no jumping; not out for excessively long periods of time) you could make the saddle work for you while you look around for a better fit. If at some point you want to up your game and get into competitive things, at that point you probably would have to get serious about another saddle to fit the purpose.
    If the tree width were too narrow or too wide, maybe. I personally would not mind riding in a too wide tree width with a half pad and shims, but wouldn't do the too narrow. But the channel is sitting directly on important spinal ligaments and/or the spine itself and can cause permanent damage and permanent behavioral damage. Here's a good link that talks about it :Schleese_Saddle Fitting Tip Three Gullet Channel Width. Houston, I would suggest you watch all of the Schleese saddle fitting videos, they help a lot. Also, are you located in Houston?
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        12-30-2013, 10:19 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chevaux    
    What are you planning on doing for riding, Houston?
    Right now I'm just schooling on the flat. Lessons about two times a week. Neither me or my horse have the experience to jump at the moment, but eventually I do want to get on that level. I also would like to do a low level dressage test and a small hunter pleasure class within the up coming months.

    When I'm not using this saddle, I use a Specialized Saddle (endurance). Comfy for us both and set to fit her. Soon we will begin conditioning for a 25 miler again so my focus will probably be shifted to that for a little bit. So this isn't the only saddle I have access to. However I am "loaning" that endurance saddle for the time being.

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    Originally Posted by SullysRider    
    If the tree width were too narrow or too wide, maybe. I personally would not mind riding in a too wide tree width with a half pad and shims, but wouldn't do the too narrow. But the channel is sitting directly on important spinal ligaments and/or the spine itself and can cause permanent damage and permanent behavioral damage. Here's a good link that talks about it :Schleese_Saddle Fitting Tip Three Gullet Channel Width. Houston, I would suggest you watch all of the Schleese saddle fitting videos, they help a lot. Also, are you located in Houston?
    The Schleese videos are very handy! I believe I've seen them all.

    The channel is quite narrow in the back of this Stubben, but most of the ones of this model made around the same time appear to have that same feature, from what I've seen in photos.

    But I can't help but to wonder: Stubbens seem to be pretty highly regarded, and I guess that's apart of the reason why it was a top choice for me. I wonder why they would make the channels of these saddles narrow in the back if it were bad for the horse's spine? On the plus side, the channel through the front and middle of the saddle is not as narrow and seems to be of appropriate width.

    This is not my saddle or photo, but an example of how these models look underneath.


    While tacking up, I watch for any sourness in my mare. I also check for soreness before. And when we are done riding, I check for soreness again. I've seen nothing so far that would suggest she is uncomfortable. Every time I ride I am getting a nice, even sweat spot.

    But, I definitely agree I should have the best possible fitting saddle for my horse and I will get there soon hopefully. I of course only want the best for my mare, but in the meantime I'm hoping this will get us through a few months.

    I am currently in West Texas but will be moving back to Houston within the next 6-7 months.

    Thank you guys!
         
        12-30-2013, 10:34 PM
      #16
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Houston    
    Right now I'm just schooling on the flat. Lessons about two times a week. Neither me or my horse have the experience to jump at the moment, but eventually I do want to get on that level. I also would like to do a low level dressage test and a small hunter pleasure class within the up coming months.

    When I'm not using this saddle, I use a Specialized Saddle (endurance). Comfy for us both and set to fit her. Soon we will begin conditioning for a 25 miler again so my focus will probably be shifted to that for a little bit. So this isn't the only saddle I have access to. However I am "loaning" that endurance saddle for the time being.



    The Schleese videos are very handy! I believe I've seen them all.

    The channel is quite narrow in the back of this Stubben, but most of the ones of this model made around the same time appear to have that same feature, from what I've seen in photos.

    But I can't help but to wonder: Stubbens seem to be pretty highly regarded, and I guess that's apart of the reason why it was a top choice for me. I wonder why they would make the channels of these saddles narrow in the back if it were bad for the horse's spine? On the plus side, the channel through the front and middle of the saddle is not as narrow and seems to be of appropriate width.

    This is not my saddle or photo, but an example of how these models look underneath.


    While tacking up, I watch for any sourness in my mare. I also check for soreness before. And when we are done riding, I check for soreness again. I've seen nothing so far that would suggest she is uncomfortable. Every time I ride I am getting a nice, even sweat spot.

    But, I definitely agree I should have the best possible fitting saddle for my horse and I will get there soon hopefully. I of course only want the best for my mare, but in the meantime I'm hoping this will get us through a few months.

    I am currently in West Texas but will be moving back to Houston within the next 6-7 months.

    Thank you guys!
    A lot of saddle makers back in the day didn't understand the importance of the channel width, so they made their saddles that way. On top of that Stubben's are known for being narrow. I actually live in NW Houston (Cypress) and have an awesome saddle fitter who lives in the area, but unfortunately that's not going to help much since you're not in the area currently. I figured I'd explain why I was asking, so I didn't seem like a creeper lol. Also, a saddle fitter who is also able to do reflockings, etc can actually make the channel width wider, so if you really like the saddle that could be an option. And it would be cheaper than buying another saddle!
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        12-30-2013, 10:57 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SullysRider    
    A lot of saddle makers back in the day didn't understand the importance of the channel width, so they made their saddles that way. On top of that Stubben's are known for being narrow. I actually live in NW Houston (Cypress) and have an awesome saddle fitter who lives in the area, but unfortunately that's not going to help much since you're not in the area currently. I figured I'd explain why I was asking, so I didn't seem like a creeper lol. Also, a saddle fitter who is also able to do reflockings, etc can actually make the channel width wider, so if you really like the saddle that could be an option. And it would be cheaper than buying another saddle!
    Getting it reflocked for a wider channel width is certainly something to consider, at least in the meantime! But aside from that, having a saddle fitter out to give me some pointers would probably teach me a lot.

    I'll be moving to the Katy-ish area of Houston after I'm done here in El Paso. Honestly can't wait to be home and I'm trying to make the time fly!

    Thanks!
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        12-31-2013, 01:03 AM
      #18
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Houston    
    Getting it reflocked for a wider channel width is certainly something to consider, at least in the meantime! But aside from that, having a saddle fitter out to give me some pointers would probably teach me a lot.

    I'll be moving to the Katy-ish area of Houston after I'm done here in El Paso. Honestly can't wait to be home and I'm trying to make the time fly!

    Thanks!
    I was going to mention about getting it reflocked. The channel is definitely a bit to narrow. I rode in a Siegfried and do not recall it be so full paneled. Perhaps this saddle was altered in the past to increase the fullness and narrow out the channel a little more?? (the stitching around the back and around the underpart of the panels looks almost new.....which makes think itseen altered.) The panels look almost overstuffed. IF you can get to a saddle fitter/maker that knows how to flock or reflock saddles, they might be able to help you out. (note: not all saddle makers know how to properly reflock saddles).
         
        01-02-2014, 04:35 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ZaneyZanne123    
    (note: not all saddle makers know how to properly reflock saddles).
    Interesting! I thought that was pretty much what they did, aside from being able to tell how a saddle was fitting... Maybe just because I haven't heard of any saddle fitters who don't flock as well? Or were you referring to the fact that some just don't do it correctly or accurately? I'm learning a lot about English saddle fitting from some of these threads.

    Sorry for the thread jack, though the answer is probably still relevant to the topic at least.
         
        01-04-2014, 02:58 AM
      #20
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 2BigReds    
    Interesting! I thought that was pretty much what they did, aside from being able to tell how a saddle was fitting... Maybe just because I haven't heard of any saddle fitters who don't flock as well? Or were you referring to the fact that some just don't do it correctly or accurately? I'm learning a lot about English saddle fitting from some of these threads.

    Sorry for the thread jack, though the answer is probably still relevant to the topic at least.
    Sorry I should have been more specific. I was referring to more of not all tack/saddle repair shops have qualified ppl who know how to properly re-flock a saddle. You should enquire that there is an experienced saddle maker (english) available. Also western type saddle makers. (but then why would you be going to a western saddle maker to reflock an english saddle...right? )Those that make western saddles are not usualy (unless trained to deal with the enligh saddles and flocking of such) trained to flock english saddles.
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