Yeah, I talked to a saddle maker and he said that leather cannot be made into lengths longer than 8 feet without stitching 2 pieces together because cowhides are only about 8 feet long. I guess I should have known that but I was just hoping. Free_sprtd, I would be interested if you are wanting to get rid of the ones that you have. I think that I will have to settle for something that is not leather and I really need some that are long for Big John. 8 foot reins on him only leave me about 2 1/2 or 3 feet of extra. LOL