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post #1 of 13 Old 01-23-2008, 06:52 PM Thread Starter
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Pessoa Balance System?

I'm looking into buying a balance system for my horse; I've been working him in it for awhile now, and he does really well in it. I would ask my trainer, but he's on a 3-week trip to Europe to look at horses again, so thats out of the question =].

These two look similiar, if not the same thing, but one is about $40 cheaper, and the cheaper one comes with the suringicale & headstall.

Just let me know your thoughts on this, and then also which one you would recommend buying. Thanks!

Pessoa Training System



Lungeing aid designedby Nelson Pessoa. Can be rigged from going long and low for a green horse to the most advanced collected frame or anything in between. Headstall, lunge line, surcingle not included.

Price: $164.80


Or the other one; seems like a better deal to me though.


Balance Complete Training System



For proper head set and balance. Complete rigging, with surcingle, caveson and loose ring bit with hanger and rope rigging included. Helps develop correct head set and balance while strengthening back and neck muscles. Can be used in a variety of positions, depending on desired headset. USA. Brown. F/S.

Price: $119.90
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post #2 of 13 Old 01-23-2008, 10:38 PM
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theyll both have the same results, i would get the second one
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post #3 of 13 Old 01-23-2008, 11:26 PM
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correct me if i am wrong but is the first one a 'brain chain' set up or is that just how it appears in the photo???

If it is the i would go for the second one as you would not be able to put a brain chain on a green horse - they could break their neck (i have nothing against the use of a brain chain but never on a green horse)

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whats a brain chain?
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whats a brain chain?
it is like draw reins but goes over the poll and is attached to a solid point ie: brest collar, girth, surcingle....... it forces the horse to drop its head unlike draw reins where you can release, a brain chain has constant pressure if the horse does not have their head exactly where you want it. They can be very unkind if not used correctly but are a great training aide if you know how to use it properly. (and dont worry mell, i wasnt sure if that was the name that they are commonly known as or just what we have always called them)

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ok.
so what about a soft thick ish piece of rope that is conected to a piece of elastic in a loop. the elastic part goes over the poll, while the rope goes from the elastic through the bit, down under the chest, comes up behind the leg, over the back just behind the wither. then goes behind the leg on the other side, back through the bit then ties to the elastic?? it is tied quite loose. (its home made)
is that sort of similar?
my instructor uses it. i think she got the idea from her trainer (Vince corvi, not sure if anyone has heard of him, might of though). i have one also, that i sometimes use for my horse and another one of ours that is 6yrs, but hasn't done alot of flatwork.
just wondering cause you said you wouldn't use it on a green and horse and i would class this horse as green
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I have the complete balance training systerm. (The second one). I have used it several times. I used it on my Quarter horse and Paint. Honestly and personally it didn't work. My horse still had bad balance. He gained good balance by constant collecting and working off his hind.
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From the research I've done (I was looking at buying the Pessoa myself), these systems do work, but you can get the same results with proper training and less expensive equipment. That being said, I didn't end up buying one...but some people really like them and the quality is good. Having seen how one works (and since I already own a good surcingle and caveson) I honestly think I could whip one up with supplies from the local Home Depot.
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ok.
so what about a soft thick ish piece of rope that is conected to a piece of elastic in a loop. the elastic part goes over the poll, while the rope goes from the elastic through the bit, down under the chest, comes up behind the leg, over the back just behind the wither. then goes behind the leg on the other side, back through the bit then ties to the elastic?? it is tied quite loose. (its home made)
is that sort of similar?
my instructor uses it. i think she got the idea from her trainer (Vince corvi, not sure if anyone has heard of him, might of though). i have one also, that i sometimes use for my horse and another one of ours that is 6yrs, but hasn't done alot of flatwork.
just wondering cause you said you wouldn't use it on a green and horse and i would class this horse as green
sorry to be off topic guys - yes mell that does sound VERY similiar only difference being id your device has give in it and the one i am talking about does not. Sounds to me like what you have would be safe for a green horse so i wouldn't worry too much but maybe see what your trainer thinks before making any decisions

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post #10 of 13 Old 01-25-2008, 03:43 AM
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If picking one over the other, I'd choose the second one.

I had the Pessoa system before I had a horse, so I never used it. But, what I did notice was that the ropes are all white (with flecks of color) and the (for lack of better words) butt pad is also a white fleece. White + Horses = Dirty. I also like that the 2nd set comes with the surcingle and caveson. If the system fails, you still have those 2 pieces to use as normal! And heck, it's cheaper!

The only benefit I can see in the Pessoa system is that if you don't like it, you could probably sell it on eBay for more than the Balance Complete System.
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