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post #11 of 19 Old 10-08-2012, 10:17 PM
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Give him a little leg and get rid of your martingales.. His head gets high again? Half halt.
It worked for me, although my mare didn't have a crazy headset, just a little too high to HUS

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post #12 of 19 Old 10-08-2012, 10:21 PM
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If you can't show in it, don't use it. That's my philosophy. There is a reason its illegal.
I'm not fully in agreement - Dr Bristol bits are not dressage legal but they're a lot milder than a single-joint snaffle for some horses. Rollers aren't allowed in dressage either but some horses prefer a few copper rollers on a bit. I think there is need for discretion when making decisions. Although if you are competing it would be silly to train in one piece of equipment only to have to switch to something entirely different for the competition.
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Rollers aren't allowed in dressage either but some horses prefer a few copper rollers on a bit. I think there is need for discretion when making decisions.
This is really true, and I actually forgot about this rule. I rode an arab that loved his rollers, and we used them at home all the time... I guess that makes me a hipocrite But weren't they banned because they would pinch the tounge? I'm not sure, so I'm probably wrong.

And, I absolutely 100% agree, discretion is just a good policy for anything.
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You are riding your horse front to back as opposed to back to front. If you are using martingales to get his head in the "right place," you are riding incorrectly. Certainly, your trainer is also to blame for putting a martingale on your horse to begin with.

If your horse likes the eggbutt, then lose the martingale and ride the horse. If he is heavy in your hands and leaning on the forehand, give him a bump with your calves and send him forward. Keep your hands soft and forgiving, do not give him something to "brace" against

I won't even comment on putting a German martingale on a leverage bit. O_o
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You are riding your horse front to back as opposed to back to front. If you are using martingales to get his head in the "right place," you are riding incorrectly. Certainly, your trainer is also to blame for putting a martingale on your horse to begin with.

If your horse likes the eggbutt, then lose the martingale and ride the horse. If he is heavy in your hands and leaning on the forehand, give him a bump with your calves and send him forward. Keep your hands soft and forgiving, do not give him something to "brace" against

I won't even comment on putting a German martingale on a leverage bit. O_o
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If your horse likes the eggbutt, then lose the martingale and ride the horse. If he is heavy in your hands and leaning on the forehand, give him a bump with your calves and send him forward. Keep your hands soft and forgiving, do not give him something to "brace" against

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Has your trainer thought to address this as a rider issue, not a horse issue?
You can strap his head inside out, back to front and touching his backside but it won't do any good if it's a problem with the rider. The more you strap on him, the more problems you'll have, as you've already experienced. These tools are correctional only, not intended for horses to be worked in constantly. Once a star gazer has the idea that it CAN comfortably lower its head and neck, you remove the 'gadget' and ride it yourself.

Get rid of the weird and wonderful contraptions and learn how to do it yourself. You'll be a far better rider for it.
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Get a new trainer!!!!

Any trainer that advocated gadgets over correct training is not someone that you should be using.

If you use a german martingale and an elevator bit you will be giving 2 very powerful conflicting signals to the horse, the result is likely to be a very confused and angry horse.

Martingales should NEVER be adjusted so tight that they bring a horses head down, they should only ever be used to stop the horses head getting above the angle of control and wolloping you in the face.

RIDE your horse FORWARDS and keep him STRAIGHT

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Its like a martingale club at our barn. All of the school horses wear one. They all have standing martingales and one has a german one.

I wont change bits. I'll leave the eggbutt on him.

When im having my lesson...and my boy drops his head low...all my trainer says is *keep your hands up and he wont drop his head *
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